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If you want nice things, be prepared to pay the true cost for them instead of being subsidized by everyone else.
by heavyset_go 1y ago
If you want nice things, be prepared to pay the true cost for them instead of being subsidized by everyone else.
- cyberax 1y agoSuburbs subsidize cities. If we use personal income taxes as a proxy.
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- dcrazy 1y agoThat’s an extremely poor proxy given that income tax is not the sole source of revenue in California, you’re not netting out state spend (which would be very important to the definition of subdsidy), and you don’t even specify whether you are speaking in aggregate or per capita.
- cyberax 1y agoNo. It's the best proxy to determine who's sponsoring whom. Corporate taxes are not a good proxy because they are imposed at the location of corporate headquarters. Which are almost always in the Downtowns even if the workers who produce all the value live in suburbs. Ditto for sales taxes.
- SilverElfin 1y agoI would also add: The people leading and owning businesses are largely higher income and older. They tend to want to get away from urban hell and live in suburbs. If anything it’s the people of the suburbs who subsidize the cities.
- potato3732842 1y agoThere's a sort of "you are why the world is the way it is" irony in your comment. Development costs spiral once you cross the 1ac threshold because them you have to do stormwater permitting (which is federal in some cases) and that adds a ton of cost and wastes developable land. And then the scrutiny this brings can cause you problems on other axis. This is why newly built houses in the middle of nowhere on a bunch of acres. Pretty much every commercial development, pretty much every cookie cutter residential subdivision of multiple houses, is saddled with costs that the sort of "5-over-1 here, shoehorn a duplex and some townhomes in there" type development 15min cities type people love isn't. Stormwater permitting is the driving force behind why developments get laid out the ways that they do. It's why every big box store, every residential subdivision, every warehouse building, they all have the same dozen shapes oriented in one of the same dozen ways on the lot. This is also why every residential subdivision ever has an HOA, someone needs to be responsible for maintaining whatever the stormwater infrastructure is in perpetuity.
- dcrazy 1y agoI’m not sure how you intended your post to be to interpreted. To me, the relevant point is that infrastructure is an expensive fixed cost and we should increase density where we’ve already made that investment.
- potato3732842 1y agoMy point is that reality is the exact opposite of what person I am replying to is asserting. Some commercial warehouse building or dozen houses on 1/8ac each are punitively taxed (by enforcing additional expensive requirements) whereas dense residential development is not.