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and 98% support expanding those powers every time 'their team' is in power as if the situation could never change.

by nullc 1y ago

silexia 1y ago
You are exactly right. We all need to realize that the left misused government power against the right just as Trump is now misusing it against the left. I hope people retain these opinions of government power when their "side" gets back into power and they use that power to shrink the government so much that this cannot happen again in our lifetimes.
- lern_too_spel 1y ago
  > We all need to realize that the left misused government power against the right How? The arguments I've heard require both of the following to be true: 1. Medical misinformation is a cornerstone of political thought in the right instead of non-politically-aligned anti-scientific nonsense. 2. The government suggesting to media companies that they limit the spread of that misinformation, and those media companies voluntarily implementing systems that do so in order to keep their customers and employees from dying, constitutes government coercion of speech.
  - potato3732842 1y ago
    This is exactly the sort stuff the top level comment was complaining about. Regardless of what team you're on if you can't come up with a few things that were done that were bad and a bunch more things that were said and advocated for by politicians that were way worse then you are the problem.
    - lern_too_spel 1y ago
      I can come up with a few things that were done that were bad. GP made a very specific claim of a bad thing that was done, and I can't come up with things that never actually happened. If you don't understand the difference between those, you are exactly the type of low information voter that grifters prey on.
  - hhhhjjj 1y ago
    House arresting the population for a few years and shutdown any discussion... Yea, def not a misuse of power...
    - mindslight 1y ago
      Neither of those happened. Less than half of states had bona fide stay at home orders with the force of law, and they certainly did not last years. (Many states put out "stay at home orders" that in fact were merely strongly worded suggestions when it came to individuals)
      - hhhhjjj 1y ago
        True, de jure, many states didn’t have enforceable stay-at-home laws, but de facto, closures, mandates, and social pressure still kept most people at home for ~year. You obviously had money, no kids, and AC. Glad you had a better time of it than many.
    - Moomoomoo309 1y ago
      You do realize all of those things initially happened before Jan 6th, 2021, when DJT was president? This is the pot calling the kettle black here. As for the free speech chilling, the current administration has targeted people who talk ill of the president, which is a much more direct and egregious chilling effect on speech than what happened during the lockdown. Biden's admin did no such thing. Platforms may have taken down alleged "misinformation" (which they are also doing for the current admin, too!), but the Biden admin didn't target anyone who talked ill of him or his admin. If you have counter examples, feel free to provide them.
      - hhhhjjj 1y ago
        I said nothing about trump. Both parties are guilty of huge abuse. Biden did not fixed it when he got in office. Stop picking sides and see it isn't binary and both parties are rotten.
        1y ago

and 98% support expanding those powers every time 'their team' is in power as if the situation could never change.

by nullc 1y ago

and 98% support expanding those powers every time 'their team' is in power as if the situation could never change.

You are exactly right. We all need to realize that the left misused government power against the right just as Trump is now misusing it against the left. I hope people retain these opinions of government power when their "side" gets back into power and they use that power to shrink the government so much that this cannot happen again in our lifetimes.

lern_too_spel 1y ago
> We all need to realize that the left misused government power against the right How? The arguments I've heard require both of the following to be true: 1. Medical misinformation is a cornerstone of political thought in the right instead of non-politically-aligned anti-scientific nonsense. 2. The government suggesting to media companies that they limit the spread of that misinformation, and those media companies voluntarily implementing systems that do so in order to keep their customers and employees from dying, constitutes government coercion of speech.
- potato3732842 1y ago
  This is exactly the sort stuff the top level comment was complaining about. Regardless of what team you're on if you can't come up with a few things that were done that were bad and a bunch more things that were said and advocated for by politicians that were way worse then you are the problem.
  - lern_too_spel 1y ago
    I can come up with a few things that were done that were bad. GP made a very specific claim of a bad thing that was done, and I can't come up with things that never actually happened. If you don't understand the difference between those, you are exactly the type of low information voter that grifters prey on.
- hhhhjjj 1y ago
  House arresting the population for a few years and shutdown any discussion... Yea, def not a misuse of power...
  - mindslight 1y ago
    Neither of those happened. Less than half of states had bona fide stay at home orders with the force of law, and they certainly did not last years. (Many states put out "stay at home orders" that in fact were merely strongly worded suggestions when it came to individuals)
    - hhhhjjj 1y ago
      True, de jure, many states didn’t have enforceable stay-at-home laws, but de facto, closures, mandates, and social pressure still kept most people at home for ~year. You obviously had money, no kids, and AC. Glad you had a better time of it than many.
  - Moomoomoo309 1y ago
    You do realize all of those things initially happened before Jan 6th, 2021, when DJT was president? This is the pot calling the kettle black here. As for the free speech chilling, the current administration has targeted people who talk ill of the president, which is a much more direct and egregious chilling effect on speech than what happened during the lockdown. Biden's admin did no such thing. Platforms may have taken down alleged "misinformation" (which they are also doing for the current admin, too!), but the Biden admin didn't target anyone who talked ill of him or his admin. If you have counter examples, feel free to provide them.
    - hhhhjjj 1y ago
      I said nothing about trump. Both parties are guilty of huge abuse. Biden did not fixed it when he got in office. Stop picking sides and see it isn't binary and both parties are rotten.
      - 1y ago