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This stuff is increasingly normalized across platforms. I'd say "vote with your wallet", but when all the tech platforms are doing it, there's not much choice.
by hedora 1y ago
This stuff is increasingly normalized across platforms.
I'd say "vote with your wallet", but when all the tech platforms are doing it, there's not much choice. PCs / laptops are probably the last hold out: Just switch to Linux (but be careful which distro you pick) or MacOS (for now).
The political pendulum is going to swing far left in the US given the disasters that are playing out in DC. Hopefully this sort of crap will be banned when that happens.
- j1elo 1y agoIMHO Linux Mint keeps being the strongest option to recommend when the intention is a clean transition with the least amount of fiddling. It just works, it is reliable, and it doesn't play games with changes of basic technologies that can only cause confusion (e.g. none of the Ubuntu shenanigans like their confusing desktop or their non-Debian packaging)
- shmerl 1y agoI wouldn't recommend Mint. Better use something with recent KDE Plasma and recent kernel and Mesa for best Wayland experience. Especially speaking of playing games, I periodically see newcomer Linux gamers hitting problems due to Mint being outdated and not having good Wayland support. Especially for any kind of recent hardware.
- nokeya 1y agoAny examples of “something with recent kde”? I have Ubuntu currently, wanted to switch to the Mint, now want to hear more opinions
- shmerl 1y agoI'd say any rolling distro. Try Debian testing or unstable if you prefer Debian distros family (choose KDE during installation). Or try Arch. KDE also started making its own Arch based distro now: https://kde.org/linux/ https://kde.org/linux/ But it's one of those immutable flavors. I prefer something more flexible.
- Alupis 1y agoFedora
- jpmattia 1y agoHow do you deal with the short lifespan until EOL? I've been using Rocky (and CentOS before that) simply to avoid dealing with EOL so often.
- Alupis 1y agoFedora makes major upgrades pretty easy - you can even do it via the GUI Software Center, then reboot. Personally I'm using Kinoite[1], an "immutable" version of Fedora that has an immutable base image, which makes it nearly impossible to break things during updates (even major upgrades). [1] - https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/kinoite/ https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/kinoite/
- queenkjuul 1y agoI use mint's cinnamon UI on Ubuntu. It's by far my favorite desktop, but yeah Mint's main packages are too far out of date usually.
- sebtron 1y agoFor me it's the exact opposite, I had problems with Steam games on Wayland and I switched back to X11.
- shmerl 1y agoYou probably used Nvidia and some outdated distro with a bad DE on top. Not something you should be using. Using X11 is DOA anyway, so you can figure out what was wrong in your case and use better options.
- sebtron 1y agoNo, AMD. I had issues on the latest Debian, released this summer, with KDE. X11 works perfectly fine. I would be happy with wayland too, if it worked. And in fact I use it on my other device.
- shmerl 1y agoWhat kind of issues though with what GPU? I'm using Debian testing, it all works fine with AMD and KDE Plasma Wayland session. With AMD, always make sure to use latest kernel, Mesa and amdgpu firmware.
- sebtron 1y agoThe Steam main window did not open, although Steam itself did load in the background. I could work around this by disabling smooth scrolling on web view and some other GPU-related option (I forgot exactly). But then there was a strange glitch on every single game (both native and Proton-based). Periodically (e.g. every ~10 seconds on some 3D games, on every screen reload on some other) the screen turned black for about 2 seconds. Then I remembered that I had some issue when I first installed Debian 12 two years, though I forgot which issues exactly, and that I solved them by switching from Wayland to X11.
- shmerl 1y ago
- dismalaf 1y agoLinux Mint is terrible. Horribly outdated software, how are they still on X11? Both their DEs are forks which introduces problems... Like, in regular Gnome/KDE land, you have Wayland which is a huge improvement over X11, HDR works, fractional scaling works... None of that works on Mint.
- shmerl 1y agoNot sure why you are downvoted, what you said is true. Mint has some WIP to support Wayland in Cinnamon, but it's way behind other DEs and I wouldn't recommend using it.
- dare944 1y agoVoted down because the "Linux Mint is terrible" statement clearly isn't true.
- dismalaf 1y agoWhen Mint always comes up as a distro for newbies coming from Windows, then lacks all the features of a modern system, yes, it's terrible.
- shmerl 1y agoWong wording may be, but the point of the post is correct. Mint just lags behind with Wayland support and in being up to date for handling recent hardware especially. The former is Mint's specific problem, while the latter is a general problem of all long period release distros that don't take care of updating Linux kernel, Mesa and etc. to actual recent releases.
- barbs 1y agoAgreed. For people coming from Windows Linux Mint is the one I recommend. Simple, stable, minimal hassle.
- intalentive 1y agoI like Mint. I just wanted something simple that looks like Win7 I can use for work, email, browsing, and it delivers.
- someuser2345 1y agoI can't agree about the "it just works" part. About a year ago I build a new PC, and I tried installing Mint on it. I ran into two issues that I was never able to resolve: 1. The WiFi just would not work; I couldn't see any networks. 2. I have 2 monitors, and one monitor would display 80% of one screen, and 20% of the other. I suspect that it was because the monitors had different refresh rates and resolutions. I then tried installing Windows, and everything did just work.
- hedora 1y agoI’ve had good luck with Devuan. It works a bit better than Debian / Ubuntu did during their heydays. If you like systemd, then I can offer no advice that will help you. :-)
- creato 1y agoMacOS is just as aggressive about turning on icloud as windows is with it's crap.
- GeekyBear 1y agoWhen Apple forces users to use an online account to access their local Mac, and disables their OS unless they turn on iCloud on their Mac -- then you can claim equivalence between them.
- bigyabai 1y agoI can claim equivalence between them whenever I want. If both OSes adopt and enforce my biggest pet peeves, then no amount of eye candy or freebie features will fix my workflow. Gatekeeping and second opinions don't really move the needle on where I stand with either company.
- handsclean 1y agoShowing up in a thread you haven’t even participated in and saying “I’ve already made my choice, quit giving me second opinions” is comically self-centered.
- creato 1y agoI literally just got my first Mac computer a few months ago. I tried to set it up as a local account with no online account. I could not. Maybe it is possible and I just missed it. But either they don't allow it, or they have enough dark pattern bullshit to trick me, either way, it's the same as windows to me.
- malfist 1y agoIt's almost like monopolies aren't good for the consumer. We need some real power for enforcing the Sherman act. Too many companies have been able to buy all their competitors
- jofla_net 1y agoYeah but that sweet sweet ABI, we just gotta have that stable ABI, bum ba dum. Remember that ABI when you're pulling out your hair over whatever MS's latest snafu is. The PC isn't about personal computing, no ,no, its about desperation. Its about using the fulcrum of ABI stability to see how much someone can accept wedged down their throat, because yeah, well, don't wanna loose that ABI. Remember that ABI, 'next time 'Error: Something Happened.'
- brendoelfrendo 1y agoUnfortunately, anti-trust doctrine in the US has gone from "too little competition in a market is inherently bad" to "any % of market share is OK as long as it doesn't result in consumer prices getting too high too fast." We've really lost the plot of why anti-trust regulation was passed in the first place.
- parineum 1y ago> We've really lost the plot of why anti-trust regulation was passed in the first place. I don't personally have any knowledge of the answer to this question but, hundreds of people had to vote for it and they rarely all have the same things in mind when they do. It's better to focus on what legislation does and says rather than what it was meant to do.
- kibwen 1y ago> or MacOS (for now) Reminder that Apple's revenue from ads is in the billions and climbing at an accelerating pace. The enshittification comes for all. They don't need to be good, they just need to be better than Microsoft.
- amelius 1y agoMy Android tablet keeps bugging me about updates and what not. Wish I could install my preferred flavor of Linux on it, but it seems infeasible at this moment.
- inquirerGeneral 1y ago[dead]
- bigyabai 1y agomacOS is absolutely awful about iCloud nag. If you try and use a Mac without an iCloud account, you'll get neverending popups and notifications begging you to go online. It's nearly as bad as Windows. Neither GNOME nor KDE get anywhere near as bad. It's really only these commercial "holier than thou" operating systems that think they know best.
- nogridbag 1y agoI haven't experienced this but I see you're the second comment pointing that out. I've been using macbooks for work for a long time and never once used iCloud nor do I remember seeing a confusing prompt. But I also rarely upgrade my machine. With Windows, a regular seemingly normal update appeared almost as if I was upgrading from Windows 10 to Windows 11 and it prompted me to do the backup to OneDrive. I accepted it because I was worried the update to Windows 11 would get screwed up. After the update completed it was just a normal update after all and there was no need for me to accept that onedrive backup!
- bigyabai 1y agoiCloud nags appear in the Settings app and Notifications menu. When you are signed out, Apple will assault you with notifications (that you must disabled with a script) until you log in: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250786208?sortBy=rank https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250786208?sortBy=rank I've got my fair share of horror-stories with both OSes, I switched between dailying Mojave and Windows 10 for a big portion of my life. Nothing will ever top updating to Catalina, booting up Ableton Live and seeing all my paid plugins go from "working fine" to "completely unsupported" in the span of an update.
- nogridbag 1y agoI see. I think part of the reason why I don't see this (or don't remember it?) is I treat my work computer differently than my home computer. For my work computer, I honestly only restart my Mac maybe once every few months and never install updates. By the time I'm 1-2 OS releases out (usually when the battery starts to fail), my company gives me the latest macbook. For the people in the office who use Windows they start dropping off randomly during the day as their computer decides to start installing updates during critical times.
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- shmerl 1y agoAgreed about switching to Linux. I don't agree on macOS though. Apple is nasty in its own way and has a ton of anti-user patterns no one should be dealing with. If you want to decide for yourself and not things being decided for you because "we know better than you what you really need", just use Linux.
- lambdaone 1y agoApple had a go at doing this with iCloud, but clearly there was enough consumer pushback (a friend lost all their files after cancelling iCloud, thinking it was a backup service, not realising it deleted the original copies on their machine) that they stopped the enshittification there.