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The irony is I mirror people's response. The only way to stay sane is to not take yourself seriously. The flagged comments that people take offense are South

The irony is I mirror people's response. The only way to stay sane is to not take yourself seriously. The flagged comments that people take offense are South Park quotes. The general tone police is what is being railed against. Open source tech used to be counter culture to the ibm/microsoft status quo. Clutching your pearls while not understanding licensing nor the tech is the peak of absurdity. I don't even know Carson or DHH politics as I spend time on tech more than drama.

foofoo12 1y ago
> The irony is I mirror people's response The problem with that is you go down to their level. There's no winning against a team of professional mud slingers in the mud. Even if you would win, that'd just make you one of them.
- sudodevnull 1y ago
  You are very very right, I guess my real problem is I don't care what they say behind stuff that is a straight out lie. Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what they cheer for. I'll push back a bit in that I'm still out here helping other devs and making cool stuff so not exactly like them. Happy to have head to head with actual code and some modicum of stakes on the line.
tolerance 1y ago
People are dumb and emotional for a lot of different reasons these days. I think that parsing today’s brand of humor/irony—verbal and written—requires a sort of detachment that most people lack and are losing with time if they ever had it. This is at odds with the fact that traditional humor/irony requires the participants to have some kind of shared understanding about the subject matter. You seem to be a smart enough guy that can make sense of what I’m trying to say better than I can express it. These days the worst thing to do in the face of absurdity is to draw attention to it. There’s just too many people living right now whose entire sense of self and security comes from subscribing to some absurd ideal that’s only tangentially—or at best orthogonally—rooted in a common interpretation of a the past (i.e., a tradition.) My approach when dealing with these kinds of people used to be “When they go low, step on their backs!” but I’m beginning to realize that doesn’t leave a good impression for my opponents who are arguing in good faith nor does it set a fine example for my colleagues, particularly the more naive ones. My favorite counter of late is something more like a barrel roll where afterwards I can either disengage or attack from a more sophisticated vantage point. Then I can only hope that a conscious observer can pick up on my attempt at being tactful, adopt it for their own use and spare themselves the troubles of the deeply troubled.
- sudodevnull 1y ago
  care to become the community manager for Datastar?
  - tolerance 1y ago
    Oh...oh, no. I’m far more effective at offering unsolicited and dispassionate criticism under cantankerous circumstances than I am at lording over Discord servers. Although I’m not opposed to becoming more familiar with the tech and potentially translating some of the more memetic aspects of the Datastar community’s ideals into the robust kind of propaganda model that all open source projects thrive under and deserve in the year 2025.

foofoo12 1y ago

> The irony is I mirror people's response The problem with that is you go down to their level. There's no winning against a team of professional mud slingers in the mud. Even if you would win, that'd just make you one of them.

sudodevnull 1y ago
You are very very right, I guess my real problem is I don't care what they say behind stuff that is a straight out lie. Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what they cheer for. I'll push back a bit in that I'm still out here helping other devs and making cool stuff so not exactly like them. Happy to have head to head with actual code and some modicum of stakes on the line.

tolerance 1y ago

People are dumb and emotional for a lot of different reasons these days. I think that parsing today’s brand of humor/irony—verbal and written—requires a sort of detachment that most people lack and are losing with time if they ever had it. This is at odds with the fact that traditional humor/irony requires the participants to have some kind of shared understanding about the subject matter. You seem to be a smart enough guy that can make sense of what I’m trying to say better than I can express it. These days the worst thing to do in the face of absurdity is to draw attention to it. There’s just too many people living right now whose entire sense of self and security comes from subscribing to some absurd ideal that’s only tangentially—or at best orthogonally—rooted in a common interpretation of a the past (i.e., a tradition.) My approach when dealing with these kinds of people used to be “When they go low, step on their backs!” but I’m beginning to realize that doesn’t leave a good impression for my opponents who are arguing in good faith nor does it set a fine example for my colleagues, particularly the more naive ones. My favorite counter of late is something more like a barrel roll where afterwards I can either disengage or attack from a more sophisticated vantage point. Then I can only hope that a conscious observer can pick up on my attempt at being tactful, adopt it for their own use and spare themselves the troubles of the deeply troubled.

sudodevnull 1y ago
care to become the community manager for Datastar?
- tolerance 1y ago
  Oh...oh, no. I’m far more effective at offering unsolicited and dispassionate criticism under cantankerous circumstances than I am at lording over Discord servers. Although I’m not opposed to becoming more familiar with the tech and potentially translating some of the more memetic aspects of the Datastar community’s ideals into the robust kind of propaganda model that all open source projects thrive under and deserve in the year 2025.