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- timschumi 1y ago:^)
- luca020400 1y ago^^
- le-mark 1y agoLineageOS is an open source android distribution. Can anyone comment on who might use LineageOS and why?
- andrepd 1y agoIf you want to escape Google's monopoly, you can use LineageOS without google apps, as opposed to the malware and spyware-ridden trash that usually comes preinstalled on your phone.
- theandrewbailey 1y agoEven if you run LineageOS without Google, LineageOS still phones home to Google for DNS and captive portal checks. https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm
- andrepd 1y agoYes, that's unfortunate. But it is "easily" patchable (and a world of difference from actually running google play services with root privileges on your phone).
- udev4096 1y agoThat can be easily patched. If you want a full "de-google" experience, GOS is the only perfect option
- spaqin 1y agoFunny how the fully "de-googled" experience starts with buying a Google device.
- udev4096 1y agoThat is going to change soon enough. GOS is working towards having their own device. It's going to take a few years at least
- theandrewbailey 1y agoTo a normie non-tech person, buying a several hundred dollar Google phone, only to delete Google from it sounds stupid, like you've set your money on fire. Yes, I have a Pixel with GrapheneOS.
- AbraKdabra 1y agoI have a Samsung Tablet and Samsung's version for said tablet is a giant mountain of crap, full of bloatware, so I installed LineageOS on it. Also my old phone and my old old phone run LineageOS because I'm just logged in to Google on my {current_phone}.
- theandrewbailey 1y agoI ran LineageOS on my Moto X4 for many years. It was much faster without the OEM Moto and carrier apps, and was faster again when I installed it without Google Play Services. Same thing with an old Kindle Fire tablet, finally made it fast enough to practically use.
- pndy 1y agoCan you tell which tablet is that? I'm lurking around and wondering if I should pick Samsung one once iPad battery dies out
- AbraKdabra 1y agoTab A7, old and not worth it even for a low price, too sluggish even with LineageOS but definitely better than stock of course.
- microtonal 1y agoIt's worth mentioning that newer Samsung phones and tablets have an eFuse that is blown when you unlock them. This permanently disables some functionality of their separate secure element (IIRC). If you are planning to run LineageOS forever, it would probably not be a big issue, but if you just want to try a third-party OS or ever resell the device, it could be an issue.
- kasabali 1y agoAlso note that latest Samsung models like Z Flip 7, along with recent models such as S25 who's gonna get the OneUI 8 update will not allow unlocking anymore.
- andai 1y agoI haven't used custom roms in ages, but I used Lineage back when it was called Cyanogen. It had this cool thing where you could adjust brightness by swiping the top edge of the screen. (This was back in the day when you could reach that part easily!)
- chasil 1y agoEvery version of Lineage has rooted ADB accessible in the developer options. If you want root for apps, you must load Magisk. If root is important to you, this is your OS. Lineage puts out all the patches that they can, every month, unlike OEMs. If current patches are important to you, this is your OS. Lineage allows you to run it without any Google closed source code. These are some serious advantages, depending upon what you are trying to do.
- PaulKeeble 1y agoIf your phone is more than a few years old it likely doesn't get updates from the manufacturer anymore. LineageOS will get you to the latest Android with security patches. Same sort of deal as with OpenWRT for a router really, you get all the features and security patches but at the loss of the firmware that the device came with and its propriety enhancements.
- sltr 1y agoI immediately put Lineage on all my devices. In fact, I only buy Android devices that Lineage supports. It's a uniform, degoogled Android experience that just works.
- gitaarik 1y agoWhat devices do you use Lineage on may I ask?
- mlaretallack 1y agoI use moto devices, my current one is a g45. But I have also setup a second hand g30.
- sltr 1y agoPixel 7 Pro, OnePlus 9, OnePlus 6, Minimal Phone MP01 (unofficial ROM), Samsung Gakaxy Tab S5e. Formerly: Xperia X Compact
- dbeley 1y agoI use LineageOS on all my devices (it's actually my main criteria when buying a phone) to mainly install apps from F-Droid without relying on the Google Play Store. It has the same familiar look and feel on all devices and by experience is way snappier than the original ROM.
- konaraddi 1y agoare you able to do any banking your phone?
- z3ratul163071 1y ago3 banking apps running fine, until revolut decided to pull a douche move. i've ended my contract with them. 2 banking apps running fine.
- sltr 1y ago(Lineage user here) I've had no trouble with Schwab, USAA, Discover, Amex, Mercury, PayPal, Venmo, or Stripe. Phone is rooted with Magisk Hide and MicroG for spoofing google play services. Google Wallet does not work.
- throwing_away 1y agoGoogle Wallet also doesn't work on Graphene OS. I just looked into this and in the US there's basically no technical answer that I'd expect to be reliable. You've got a few choices: * magsafe wallet (~$10) without nfc shield with a physical card * "purewrist" prepaid debit card (would be good for a kid maybe) * garmin smartwatch that gets linked properly like Google Pay would If you're in the EU there are a ton more options, specifically "Curve Pay" and possibly "Amex UK". Very annoying.
- figmert 1y agoCurve Pay is a viable option last I checked. I am unaware of any payment options on Amex UK app. Amex expects you to link your card with Google Wallet.
- Gualdrapo 1y agoGot a Xperia Z1 in 2013. Sony stopped updating it at some point in 2014-2015, which is stupid, but the hardware was still like new (which is the great thing about Sony phones) so I rooted it and managed to install it. Can't remember if it was already named "LineageOS" or "CyanogenMod" at the time. However, it lasted with me until nov. 2020 when I dropped and the screen cracked, made it to be changed but the replacement was kinda bad so used it as an excuse to get a 1ii. I did the same with this "new" phone, that is going to be 5 years with me - since also got that only-two-years-of-updates thing, threw LineageOS on it and it's going as new. So as I said the last time I saw a post about it in here, thanks to LineageOS I can use a phone for way more than they are set out to be forgotten. It's a great project and it's really sad Google are making things harder for them for the sake of "security".
- itshossein 1y agofor some certain models it offers updated android versions (while the company doesn't)
- arcanemachiner 1y agoI want to use an OS that isn't loaded with spyware, so non-FOSS Android just doesn't fit the bill for me.
- drnick1 1y agoQFT. Lineage and Graphene are the last bastions of freedom on mobile phones. Linux phones aren't quite there yet in terms of usability, and sacrifice compatibility with thousands of great apps (including many great FOSS apps) available on Android.
- altmind 1y agoBecause aosp is basically useless on your phone - it lacks a ton of apps
- bigyabai 1y agoYou can run LineageOS on the Nintendo Switch if you want: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/nx/variant1/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/nx/variant1/ And it's a decently recent version with more-or-less official Nvidia Tegra drivers, too. For the variety of weird-but-ubiquitous devices that have a bootloader hack, LineageOS is the route to a working smart device that anyone can pick up and use.
- Onavo 1y agoYou might remember them by their old name, Cyanogenmod
- sandreas 1y agoMy personal take is that most Android devices no longer get updates pretty soon after the release (where pretty soon means 2-3 years). Google promises 7 years of support for their newer devices, but most vendors don't. LineageOS is, besides the fact hat it is more open for non google stuff, providing Android Updates for older devices. While this does not necessarily provide better security (rooted devices are often not considered as secure), you still get the newer Androids security patches and FEATURES. Furthermore you are more open to do what you want. However LineageOS does to my knowledge not support bootloader re-locking on most devices, which might be a security risk (see https://grapheneos.org/install/web#locking-the-bootloader https://grapheneos.org/install/web#locking-the-bootloader).
- microtonal 1y agoGoogle promises 7 years of support for their newer devices, but most vendors don't. Unless you have a Pixel 6 and your security update goes missing? (Didn't get the July security update and the October update is still missing? https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/1o2bhur/where_are_the_pixel_6_and_pixel_6_pro_updates/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/1o2bhur/where_... )
- sandreas 1y agoPromises... I tend to not trust promises as long as there is another Option. And I'm a happy graphene OS user.
- strcat 1y agoThere were no Android or Pixel security patches for either July or October. It's not a break of any promise. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45562792 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45562792 provides links to the bulletins and a comparison to a device marketed as supposedly providing long support.
- strcat 1y agoThere were no Android or Pixel security patches for either July or October. Android July 2025: https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2025-07-01 https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2025-07-01 Pixel July 2025: https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/pixel/2025-07-01 https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/pixel/2025... Android October 2025: https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2025-10-01 https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/2025-10-01 Pixel October 2025: https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/pixel/2025-10-01 https://source.android.com/docs/security/bulletin/pixel/2025... Not shipping an update in months when there aren't patches isn't a broken promise. They officially extended the Pixel 6 and Pixel 7 major updates from 3 to 5 years but didn't say they'd provide a release in months with no security patches. Most OEMs don't provide the privacy and security patches properly from day one. Fairphone lags behind 1-2 months on partial backports to older releases and multiple years for major updates with the full patches. Fairphone 4 and Pixel 6 both released in October 2021, but the Fairphone 4 is on the initial release of Android 13 (not Android 13 QPR3) with an end-of-life Linux 4.19 kernel branch. Android 13 is approaching end-of-life too, but still receives partial backports for now. Pixel 6 is on Android 16 QPR1 and moved from the Linux 5.10 branch to Linux 6.1. Pixels get the security patches in the month they're released vs. 1-2 month delays for the Fairphone 4.
- udev4096 1y agoIt makes perfect sense to use it if you even remotely care about better performance, battery life and privacy. Google ships it's bloated apps which not only tracks everything and runs on privileged mode but degrades your battery life to a great extent
- gitaarik 1y agoTo not have Google built into all alspects of your life too much. Although it still uses some essential Google services, it does take out most unnecessary stuff, which you often can optionally add later in a possibly more secure form, but sometimes can't, which will cause very specific apps using these services not to function, or these features of those apps. And if Chat Control will be implemented in Google Android, then LineageOS also offers you a way out of that, which is a huge plus of course if you ask me.
- andrepd 1y ago> And I heard that Google stopped pushing Pixel source? > Yes, Google has pulled back here too. Pixel kernels are now only offered as history-stripped tarballs, available privately on request, with no device trees, HALs, or configs. Thanks to projects like CalyxOS, Pixels will likely remain well supported, but they’re no longer guaranteed “day one” devices for LineageOS. Pixel devices are now effectively no easier to support than any other OEM’s devices. In short, this just makes things harder, not impossible. These fucking bastards. How far we have fallen in ~10 years of smartphone ubiquity. I have zero hopes that this monopolising trend will ever be reversed without top-down regulation from a big bloc like the EU.
- jMyles 1y agoAt the risk of sounding knee-jerk libertarian (though there are worse ways to sound), it seems to me that top-down, big bloc regulation is a non-trivial piece of what has gotten into this mess. The entrenchment via regulatory capture at the baseband level, with enormous state interplay with TSMC and Qualcomm (both economic and regulatory, both publicly known and classified), makes it impossible for a seriously independent actor to enter the market, exception _maybe_ an ubercapitalist like Musk or something. I'm much more interested to see what happens when we achieve sufficient peace that industrial complexes are no longer the primary pillar of support for chip engineering and fabrication. I suspect that this will unlock the open development, up to the kernel and beyond, that we all hope for.
- janice1999 1y agoYou can't blame the EU for Google pulling developer support for devices or holding back security patches. There are pros and cons to "big bloc regulation". You can go and start a phone company since so many things are standarised but the main constraint will be who you source a modem from and the lack of choice will be because of patents (see Apple vs Qualcomm).
- Incipient 1y agoAren't there are a few modem vendors? MediaTek, Intel, and a bunch of Chinese players?
- zb3 1y agoWell, waiting for the eBPF backport then.. still more likely to be released than AOSP 16 QPR1 :)
- sharts 1y agoHow do backups/restores work when using LineageOS and moving to a new phone?
- matham 1y agoWith Titanium Backup unmaintained, Neo Backup [1] works pretty well. It has some potential issues with restoring wifi/bluetooth/sms as those were still experimental, last I used it. But sms at least worked. I'd suggest a 2nd backup app of those, just in case. [1] https://github.com/NeoApplications/Neo-Backup https://github.com/NeoApplications/Neo-Backup
- baby_souffle 1y agoThey're seamless. Any phone that allows you true `root` can do nandroid style backups which work very similar to how iOS does backups.
- neobrain 1y agoLineageOS includes Seedvault for backup and restore. It's not 100% reliably across devices apparently, but should typically work: https://github.com/seedvault-app/seedvault/discussions/331#discussioncomment-1455191 https://github.com/seedvault-app/seedvault/discussions/331#d... This requires both phones to use Seedvault though, so it's not an option when moving from the stock OS to LineageOS.
- fiatpandas 1y agoAnyone setup a Rabbit R1 with lineage?
- ayatollah 1y agoOver recent user privacy (and security) crackdowns from Google, these OS upgrades seem to be becoming more appealing. Can anyone comment on what differs Lineage from something like GrapheneOS?
- saidinesh5 1y agoA few years ago, Lineage was just a customizable tinkerer friendly AOSP. It served as a base for a lot more Android distros. It was just a smoother Android variant with features like double tap on the notification bar to sleep, better integrated root support, more built in theming options. Graphene OS was only available for a few Pixel Devices whose source was fully available and mainly focused on security features like improved permissions and more anti tracking features. To give an example, a company I worked for shipped it's phones with a Lineage OS base with a few patches from Graphene OS to replace default ntp and connectivity check servers.
- drnick1 1y agoGraphene is probably better on the devices that support both (Pixels), but since hardware support is so (intentionally) limited, it kind of a moot point. Also the Graphene community is kind of obsessed with "security" and does not seem to place much emphasis on freedom/hackability.
- kahnclusions 1y agoWhy the scare quotes? Graphene’s focus on security is legitimate and well founded. They are the only phone OS that is consistently safe from hacking by the likes of Cellebrite long after all other androids have fallen.
- udev4096 1y agoAnd having security focused settings by default. For instance, the https://localmess.github.io https://localmess.github.io tracking attempt was prevented on Vanadium (a browser maintained by GOS). Another serious vulnerability from top of my mind was TapTrap (https://taptrap.click/ https://taptrap.click/), which was fixed by GOS [1] few months ago. Android is still vulnerable to it! [1] - https://grapheneos.org/releases#2025070700:~:text=only%20permit%20third%20party%20apps%20to%20use%20custom%20activity%20animations%20for%20transitions%20between%20their%20own%20activities%20to%20prevent%20a%20recently%20disclosed%20Android%20tapjacking%20vulnerability%20branded%20as%20TapTrap https://grapheneos.org/releases#2025070700:~:text=only%20per...
- tiku 1y agoAny way to get this to run in a VM? Or should I give up and buy a phone that can handle it and use it through remote desktop tools?
- drnick1 1y agoWaydroid runs Lineage, so it's certainly possible, but I don't know how easy it is on something like QEMU. That being said buying a phone compatible with Lineage or Graphene (only Pixels for the latter) is well worth it. This will probably become even more important in the future if Google bans sideloading or complies with idiotic laws such client-side scanning of messages in some markets.
- Arnavion 1y agoYes, I run Waydroid (LineageOS in a Linux container) in an Ubuntu x86_64 VM on my home PC using their default installation method, plus libhoudini via https://github.com/casualsnek/waydroid_script https://github.com/casualsnek/waydroid_script to be able to run arm64-only apps, and waypipe the UI to my (Linux) phone that is connected to my home LAN via Wireguard. I used to run Waydroid directly on the phone, but the phone has terrible specs and Waydroid had become frustrating in the last few months, when it updated its LineageOS image to a new Android version. It would frequently crash or pop up an infinite series of "app is not responding" dialog boxes, even though whatever app it was was responding just fine. With my new VM + waypipe setup, Waydroid launches in ~10s instead of ~3 minutes, and everything is reasonably snappy despite now traveling over the network, so I'm happy.
- timschumi 1y agoThere is a guide on how to set up LineageOS for libvirt (i.e. QEMU) [1], but there exist no prebuilt images at this point in time. [1] https://wiki.lineageos.org/libvirt-qemu https://wiki.lineageos.org/libvirt-qemu
- WhyNotHugo 1y agoThe requirements are monstrous: 300GB storage, 32GB RAM. My everyday working laptop has a 240GB SSD. I've build the kernel, Firefox, and the heaviest packages which I use from sources with a fraction of those resources. I can't even fathom what the build system is doing in order to require this amount of storage.
- drnick1 1y agoIt's great to see Android TV mentioned. Has anyone managed to build a freedom-respecting TV box with Lineage? This is a much needed alternative to "smart" TVs and streaming boxes filled with spyware and arbitrary restrictions.
- BLKNSLVR 1y agoThis! Looks like LineageOS supports various iterations of the Nvidia Shield device. What I'm wondering is whether this new Catapult launcher is compatible with Android TV that comes with off the shelf Smart TVs. I've grown accustomed to the default screen on my current TV's in-built Google TV (not Android TV, although I'm not totally sure of the difference), but it does enforce at least one additional click to get to the actual functions I, and the family, use it for. Gonna check out Catapult right now. Edited to add note: It looks as if the latest Nvidia Shield device requires soldering a USB port onto the mainboard of the device[0]. That probably excludes a decent percentage of people who may otherwise be happy software hacking a device. [0]: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/sif/install/#usb-port-installation https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/sif/install/#usb-port-ins...
- Grazester 1y agoThis is it for the non-Pro models only since they come with 3 USB-A ports
- peanut-walrus 1y agoAlmost all major streaming services will refuse to work on unapproved devices.
- mixmastamyk 1y agoWell, this looks nice. Tons more devices than Graphene or Postmarket supported. Which hardware should one get to run this? Which hardware is reasonably ethical? Perhaps the Fairphone 5? There are lots of choices from Motorola and OnePlus but I know nothing about them. (Well I remember the old Moto up to Y2k.) Not sure where to buy them.
- onli 1y agoWith reasonable ethical you indeed might want to look into the Fairphones. The Fairphone 6 was reviewed as being a nice improvement over the 5. I'd expect LineageOS to land on that device some time in the future, after all the prior three models are supported. You could wait for that, or settle for the 5. If you want something cheap and easy instead of the Fairphone, the Motorola moto g 5G (2024) looks good. Supported by LineageOS 23.0 and also on the list of calyx devices, https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-support/#modern-devices https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-support/#modern-device..., with vendor security updates till 2027 (though calyx is on pause, that's me only hoping the device list will still apply afterwards, would be an interesting additional option). Not available in my market though, or just hard to find with that name given the other similarly named motorola phones. OnePlus 12R is one of the newest phones that is supported, and will get vendor updates until 2028. No headphone jack and no sd card slot though. Ethical does not describe the OnePlus and Motorola phones. But anything used could be judged as such, since you then at least did not add to the garbage pile of unrepairable devices directly - but they are a bit new for that maybe. On the other hand, vendor security updates don't exist for many of the older devices (especially those from Motorola, they churn out new devices by the dozens and almost immediately abandon them), and the new EU regulations that force vendors to provide security updates only apply to new devices.
- mixmastamyk 1y agoThanks! Oh, I forgot to ask about the hardware working in the US? Also, does Lineage force you to make an account somewhere? I see the Murena, which I think is the same hardware. But their page says the bootloader is locked. Hmm, think that's a no-go. https://murena.com/america/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-6/ https://murena.com/america/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena...
- botanical76 1y agoNote, GrapheneOS seems to have been able to secure partner access to Android early security releases, but this comes with the cost that the source used to make these special "01" builds is private until general availability. This might not be a tradeoff that LineageOS is willing to take; GrapheneOS has provided the option on a recommended opt-in basis. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/27068-grapheneos-security-preview-releases https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/27068-grapheneos-security-p...
- Semaphor 1y agoYeah, yesterday I got a pop-up post-update that explained the situation and asked me if I wanted the closed source blobs.
- strcat 1y agoThe preview patches are source code patches we're applying to the source tree used for the regular GrapheneOS releases. We have the sources for the patches, but we need to wait to the embargo end date to publish the security preview patches as source code. We keep the patches in a dedicated Git repository with a script for applying them to the source tree from the regular release. Each security preview release is tagged there, so we can release the sources which were used as soon as the embargo date is reached.
- timschumi 1y agoAs far as I have heard they have not actually secured partner access for themselves, they just got someone who has access to break their NDA.
- mbananasynergy 1y agoThe access comes from GrapheneOS' OEM partner who isn't breaking any kind of NDA.
- ysnp 1y agoI don't know the exact terminology, but they described what they currently have as security partner access or at least advanced access to security patches. To my knowledge they are still working on full partner access that would grant them timely access to the AOSP source code.
- laktak 1y agoI'd love to see a hybrid phone with an embedded stock android for banking, pay and government apps and a regular LinageOS or Linux OS that runs on a separate partition/hw/vm. Like "gluing" two phones together - just better ;) It would be great to run an open OS but having to carry a separate phone for banking/paying is not really a viable option.
- madduci 1y agoI would be happy if any of the big phone makers will starting adopting LineageOS or GrapheneOS as the main operating system for some of their models. Or just leave the possibility of easy unlock the phone and publish sources.
- edent 1y agoBQ tried that with Cyanogen (the precursor to Lineage) https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/bq-aquaris-x5 https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/bq-aquaris-x5 As did WileyFox - https://www.xda-developers.com/wileyfox-to-issue-update-to-migrate-away-from-cyanogenos/ https://www.xda-developers.com/wileyfox-to-issue-update-to-m... They were both budget brands with niche offerings. For most people, the source of the OS is immaterial. There's very little competitive advantage to selling a forked OS, and a rather large downside in terms of support costs. I'm mostly happy with my GrapheneOS device - but it is absolutely not suitable for mass market.
- jsheard 1y agoOnePlus also shipped Cyanogen in their early days. They're still around, but they've long since pivoted to their own proprietary Android distro.
- thaumasiotes 1y agoGiven that Cyanogenmod was discontinued shortly after the OnePlus One released, it's hard to blame them.
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- onli 1y agoIf you want to check supported devices together with some sustainability criteria and other ROMs, I just updated https://www.sustaphones.com/ https://www.sustaphones.com/ to reflect that LOS update.
- maelito 1y agoI'll have to do the update through my computer with ADB. As long as it'll be the case, Lineage will never be more popular. But thanks for the great fork. It's already enormous.
- saaspirant 1y agoSomewhat related: I could never get adb in my M1 Air (Tahoe and Sonoma too) to detect any android devices. I have an OnePlus Nord CE 2 Lite 5G. Same cable and everything works fine on Ubuntu and Windows machines. The phone is not getting detected in the "System Information" either. Tried MTP, PTP, USB Debugging, OTG everything. Anyone faced this issue?
- microflash 1y agoYour Chrome-based browser might be blocking the port that adb uses.
- saaspirant 1y agoadb is able to start successfully and listens on its port
- d3Xt3r 1y agoI have an M1 Air too and adb works fine for me. I used homebrew to install it ("brew install android-platform-tools").
- saaspirant 1y agoI used the same command ADB starts correctly but can't detect the phone
- unnouinceput 1y agoI just want something, anything at all, for my Redmi 14C. No luck so far.
- wartijn_ 1y agoIt has a Mediatek soc, custom roms for these chips are scarce. If you look at the supported devices on the Lineage wiki, you’ll see only 2 out of 550 devices have a Mediatek soc[0], most of them are Qualcomm. And iirc from the xda forums, even for Xiaomi phones with a Qualcomm soc it isn’t certain anyone will try to make a custom rom. Xiaomi just releases too many devices to have support for all of them. [0] https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/
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- tsoukase 1y agoThe elephant in the room in adopting LOS is the diminishing phone brands that allow custom firmware. If this obstacle is not reversed for usual brands (Samsung, Xiaomi) then you are better off get Ala Huawei which is degoogled by default.
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