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This is such a cruel perspective, implying that he'd be better off dead, for what, 3 years of inconvenience to his community, despite the previous 80 years bein

This is such a cruel perspective, implying that he'd be better off dead, for what, 3 years of inconvenience to his community, despite the previous 80 years being spent contributing positively to it? You even literally show that he isn't solely remembered for those last 3 years of his life. We owe people like that care and understanding, not murder framed as mercy. It's always so painful to see old people around who are clearly living alone, forced to do everything themselves, having to ask strangers for help because they're afraid of being a burden, and their actual children can't find time for them. Only to now see people actually supporting murder because old people become a burden for a couple of years near the end of their life.

joelwilliamson 1y ago
He’d be dead either way, the question is if having those three years were a net improvement to his life
- dotnet00 1y ago
  By that logic we should invoke the death penalty for everyone who has been sentenced to life in prison and has exhausted all their appeals, or any seniors convicted of a crime. Their life probably won't improve anymore, and in the latter case they're going to die in a few years anyway, so might as well just lighten the load on society?
  - esafak 1y ago
    No, you'd let them decide if they want to die.
- ipaddr 1y ago
  3 years living vs dying is a 3 year net improvement on life. Such silly statement. By your logic we should kill everyone at their peak.
  - ReptileMan 1y ago
    A beautiful woman dies twice as the old saying goes. While what you say is extreme there is a point in the decline past which there is no point of living. If you have something worth living for - cling to life and to 107 if you like. But if the only thing that waits you is to slowly decay and fade and lose yourself - what is the point?
  - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
    3 years of living in constant pain - not saying it’s the case here - is not better than being dead to some people.
    - cindyllm 1y ago
      [dead]
  - prmoustache 1y ago
    I've known at least 2 old persons who were literally looking forward to their death because of chronic pain and general boredom and frustration of requiring 24h/7 assistance and not being able to live the way they used to. They would have likely used assisted suicide if it had been an option back then.
    - ipaddr 1y ago
      In this case man doesn't want to die but others are suggesting it to make it easier on society.
      - account42 1y ago
        Which is really the scariest part about this while discussion. Already plenty NPCs repeating how expensive it is to keep old people alive, it's not a matter of time until old people will be encouraged to make the right choice - or have it made for them if they are not capable of making it.
  - procaryote 1y ago
- bhl 1y ago
  Not for us to question or answer though.
- account42 1y ago
  Putting that up for discussion makes the world worse than any suffering that may be experienced during that time.
anonzzzies 1y ago
But this guy wanted to die right? Bit different. Agreed that 'how others view you' is such nonsense. People are cruel that way and also: those children who couldn't be bothered visiting or helping out, will be standing at the funeral sniffling and telling 'such great dad stories'. Makes my blood boil.
troad 1y ago
Thank you for saying this. It's not a popular view, but it is the correct one. > You really don't want to end up with dementia and related illnesses, it totally sours everyone's view of you. I don't think I've read a wilder defense of euthanasia in my entire life. This is a "great guy" who committed his life to teaching kids, being a good neighbour, and his reward is one of his former pupils arguing he ought to be killed because he's grown unwell, he's unable to maintain his optics, and the community he gave his life to has therefore 'soured' on him. How very inconvenient for you, that this man is unwell. What message is this supposed to send to anyone? "Don't get invested in trying to be nice to the neighbours, they're all ghouls who'll have you shipped to the glue factory as soon as you stop seeming useful." And once everyone internalises this level of social atomism, where do you expect these 'great guys' to keep coming from?

joelwilliamson 1y ago

He’d be dead either way, the question is if having those three years were a net improvement to his life

dotnet00 1y ago
By that logic we should invoke the death penalty for everyone who has been sentenced to life in prison and has exhausted all their appeals, or any seniors convicted of a crime. Their life probably won't improve anymore, and in the latter case they're going to die in a few years anyway, so might as well just lighten the load on society?
- esafak 1y ago
  No, you'd let them decide if they want to die.
ipaddr 1y ago
3 years living vs dying is a 3 year net improvement on life. Such silly statement. By your logic we should kill everyone at their peak.
- ReptileMan 1y ago
  A beautiful woman dies twice as the old saying goes. While what you say is extreme there is a point in the decline past which there is no point of living. If you have something worth living for - cling to life and to 107 if you like. But if the only thing that waits you is to slowly decay and fade and lose yourself - what is the point?
- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  3 years of living in constant pain - not saying it’s the case here - is not better than being dead to some people.
  - cindyllm 1y ago
    [dead]
- prmoustache 1y ago
  I've known at least 2 old persons who were literally looking forward to their death because of chronic pain and general boredom and frustration of requiring 24h/7 assistance and not being able to live the way they used to. They would have likely used assisted suicide if it had been an option back then.
  - ipaddr 1y ago
    In this case man doesn't want to die but others are suggesting it to make it easier on society.
    - account42 1y ago
      Which is really the scariest part about this while discussion. Already plenty NPCs repeating how expensive it is to keep old people alive, it's not a matter of time until old people will be encouraged to make the right choice - or have it made for them if they are not capable of making it.
- procaryote 1y ago
bhl 1y ago
Not for us to question or answer though.
account42 1y ago
Putting that up for discussion makes the world worse than any suffering that may be experienced during that time.

anonzzzies 1y ago

But this guy wanted to die right? Bit different. Agreed that 'how others view you' is such nonsense. People are cruel that way and also: those children who couldn't be bothered visiting or helping out, will be standing at the funeral sniffling and telling 'such great dad stories'. Makes my blood boil.

troad 1y ago

Thank you for saying this. It's not a popular view, but it is the correct one. > You really don't want to end up with dementia and related illnesses, it totally sours everyone's view of you. I don't think I've read a wilder defense of euthanasia in my entire life. This is a "great guy" who committed his life to teaching kids, being a good neighbour, and his reward is one of his former pupils arguing he ought to be killed because he's grown unwell, he's unable to maintain his optics, and the community he gave his life to has therefore 'soured' on him. How very inconvenient for you, that this man is unwell. What message is this supposed to send to anyone? "Don't get invested in trying to be nice to the neighbours, they're all ghouls who'll have you shipped to the glue factory as soon as you stop seeming useful." And once everyone internalises this level of social atomism, where do you expect these 'great guys' to keep coming from?