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Yeah it grew on me over the beta phase, now when I hold an iPhone not updated it feels old and I really don’t like previous versions. Regardless of places wher

Yeah it grew on me over the beta phase, now when I hold an iPhone not updated it feels old and I really don’t like previous versions. Regardless of places where it’s not ideal implementations yet, I can’t see myself coming back to the previous style. Liquid Glass will get better and I really like it. I got wow moments sometimes when it shines on some occasions

MBCook 1y ago
I think the idea of a new design of some sort was a good one. We’ve been in the same world since iOS 7, 12 years ago. The glass effects are fancy, but in a HUGE percentage of places the transparency makes things worse. A lot of the animation/liviness, the “liquid” part of “Liquid Glass”, is very nice and welcome. My problems are almost all from: 1. difficulty reading/using things since the background shows through unnecessarily and makes things hard to read 2. iOS fighting to change the color of things to keep up with the background during scrolling, all for the stupid effect I just complained about 3. far more wasted space by pulling away from the edges of the screen leaving less useful area I’ve seen people theorize it will all be great and make sense when some future iPhone with a true edge to edge screen launches. Great. My new phone was made manifestly worse to help the experience of a phone that I can’t even buy yet. If it exists at all. And that’s why this design is the way it is. I don’t know how they saved this. Other than just getting rid of some of the fundamental concepts. But they’re gonna have to tone a lot of stuff WAY down in the next few years to try and get this back to usable.
- shinycode 1y ago
  I completely agree with you. And sometimes depending on the content it’s unreadable that’s for sure. But they must have an endgame. Maybe they get us used to the UI, users will complain and in 6 months will get used to it and in a year it’s forgotten & updated. Because if they have a new paradigm then it’s easier for them if people are already used to the UX I guess ?
  - MBCook 1y ago
    I guess that’s my problem. At this point I don’t trust that they DO have an endgame. I think this WAS it and they just ignored all the problems. I’m sure we’ll all get used to it. Just like we got used to a lot of the problems that the iOS 7 redesign brought. But that doesn’t mean we’re actually moving forward and getting better. We seem to be finding new ways to get worse. You can look at screenshots of OS X 10.4 or 10.6 and they’re incredibly easy to read. They have good information density. You know what the controls are and things haven’t been hidden like scroll bars. Yeah there were excesses with iOS 6 and below. And the pixel perfect layout stuff was never going to be viable long-term as phones kept changing size every year or two. But you could tell what was a button and what wasn’t. You knew if something was just text or a field you could edit. We’ve lost that.
    - shinycode 1y ago
      I agree, from all the directions to make their UX foundation evolve that’s the weirdest one. If they don’t have anything else that make sense for it all then it’s the start of the decline for them I guess. I hate android UX, I tried and I hate it, Samsung is the worst for me.
      - MBCook 1y ago
        I don’t have a ton of exposure to android but I wasn’t a fan of what I have used. I can’t remember if it was the Samsung version or not but it doesn’t really matter I don’t think I “think like” Google so I don’t think it will ever be a fit for me. Similarly I’m not a Windows fan. I used it for decades but I’m happier with the way the Mac works. I’ve used Linux, the various GUIs are fine and just like Windows I could live with them. But the Mac works better for me. So as they destroy both platforms I’m stuck with nowhere to go. It’s not like Windows is getting better. Though I would probably go to Linux first, just for the Unix guts.

MBCook 1y ago

I think the idea of a new design of some sort was a good one. We’ve been in the same world since iOS 7, 12 years ago. The glass effects are fancy, but in a HUGE percentage of places the transparency makes things worse. A lot of the animation/liviness, the “liquid” part of “Liquid Glass”, is very nice and welcome. My problems are almost all from: 1. difficulty reading/using things since the background shows through unnecessarily and makes things hard to read 2. iOS fighting to change the color of things to keep up with the background during scrolling, all for the stupid effect I just complained about 3. far more wasted space by pulling away from the edges of the screen leaving less useful area I’ve seen people theorize it will all be great and make sense when some future iPhone with a true edge to edge screen launches. Great. My new phone was made manifestly worse to help the experience of a phone that I can’t even buy yet. If it exists at all. And that’s why this design is the way it is. I don’t know how they saved this. Other than just getting rid of some of the fundamental concepts. But they’re gonna have to tone a lot of stuff WAY down in the next few years to try and get this back to usable.

shinycode 1y ago
I completely agree with you. And sometimes depending on the content it’s unreadable that’s for sure. But they must have an endgame. Maybe they get us used to the UI, users will complain and in 6 months will get used to it and in a year it’s forgotten & updated. Because if they have a new paradigm then it’s easier for them if people are already used to the UX I guess ?
- MBCook 1y ago
  I guess that’s my problem. At this point I don’t trust that they DO have an endgame. I think this WAS it and they just ignored all the problems. I’m sure we’ll all get used to it. Just like we got used to a lot of the problems that the iOS 7 redesign brought. But that doesn’t mean we’re actually moving forward and getting better. We seem to be finding new ways to get worse. You can look at screenshots of OS X 10.4 or 10.6 and they’re incredibly easy to read. They have good information density. You know what the controls are and things haven’t been hidden like scroll bars. Yeah there were excesses with iOS 6 and below. And the pixel perfect layout stuff was never going to be viable long-term as phones kept changing size every year or two. But you could tell what was a button and what wasn’t. You knew if something was just text or a field you could edit. We’ve lost that.
  - shinycode 1y ago
    I agree, from all the directions to make their UX foundation evolve that’s the weirdest one. If they don’t have anything else that make sense for it all then it’s the start of the decline for them I guess. I hate android UX, I tried and I hate it, Samsung is the worst for me.
    - MBCook 1y ago
      I don’t have a ton of exposure to android but I wasn’t a fan of what I have used. I can’t remember if it was the Samsung version or not but it doesn’t really matter I don’t think I “think like” Google so I don’t think it will ever be a fit for me. Similarly I’m not a Windows fan. I used it for decades but I’m happier with the way the Mac works. I’ve used Linux, the various GUIs are fine and just like Windows I could live with them. But the Mac works better for me. So as they destroy both platforms I’m stuck with nowhere to go. It’s not like Windows is getting better. Though I would probably go to Linux first, just for the Unix guts.