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> “Given the extraordinary number of violations, NDEP has decided to exercise its discretion to reduce the penalty to two $5,000 violations per permit, which it

> “Given the extraordinary number of violations, NDEP has decided to exercise its discretion to reduce the penalty to two $5,000 violations per permit, which it believes offers a reasonable penalty that will still serve to deter future non-compliance conduct,” regulators wrote in the letter. The fuck? "You were driving so fast we gave you a discount on the speeding fine."

3D30497420 1y ago
It is even worse! "We've caught you speeding so many times that we're giving you a bulk discount."
miltonlost 1y ago
"You did too much crime. Therefore, we will charge you for fewer crimes! Bulk discount!" This is ridiculous and why we have the problems with late-stage capitalism that we do. Fines are not high enough. No jail time for environmental crimes.
- torstenvl 1y ago
  Do you think that isn't how it works? The guy who gets busted for possession of 1g of cocaine might get 10-30 days, depending on jurisdiction, judge, and prior record. Do you think the dealer who gets caught with 5 kilos gets between 137 and 410 years?
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    In this case, the dealer is getting an hour.
    - MrDarcy 1y ago
      Elon is the dealer. He gets no penalty and richer from this.
  - lukan 1y ago
    "1g of cocaine might get 10-30 days" Source please. Otherwise there is a significant difference between using and selling.
    - torstenvl 1y ago
      Source is my own two decades working in the criminal justice system, as both a prosecutor and a defense attorney. But perhaps your experience as an attorney differs from mine.
    - Supermancho 1y ago
      >> "1g of cocaine might get 10-30 days" > Source please. Google: how many days of jail time 1 gram cocaine california As with many legal questions, the matter of jurisdiction comes into play. Possession of any amount in Texas, is supposed to dictate a higher length sentence on average. Florida, heavier than CA but far less than TX guidelines. In actuality, courts tend to sentence based on defendant history and current political climate.
- peterfirefly 1y ago
  > "You did too much crime. Therefore, we will charge you for fewer crimes! Bulk discount!" That's pretty much how courts work :(
fvrghl 1y ago
This is how parking tickets work in NYC. FedEx, etc negotiate down the total amount they have to pay because they have so many tickets.
araes 1y ago
Seems like a lot of parts of America have already learned that idea. Fat Leonard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Leonard_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Leonard_scandal "Lets take the entire United States Seventh Fleet to the South Pacific for prostitutes and classified material handovers." 60 admirals got investigated. One, Admiral Gilbeau, got the first felony on active duty in modern history = 1.5 year prison, and continue collecting your $10,000 monthly pension (while in prison). There were admittedly some punishments, there was also a lot of community service, misdemeanor, $100.
- fragmede 1y ago
  That's a helluva story, thanks for sharing!

3D30497420 1y ago

It is even worse! "We've caught you speeding so many times that we're giving you a bulk discount."

miltonlost 1y ago

"You did too much crime. Therefore, we will charge you for fewer crimes! Bulk discount!" This is ridiculous and why we have the problems with late-stage capitalism that we do. Fines are not high enough. No jail time for environmental crimes.

torstenvl 1y ago
Do you think that isn't how it works? The guy who gets busted for possession of 1g of cocaine might get 10-30 days, depending on jurisdiction, judge, and prior record. Do you think the dealer who gets caught with 5 kilos gets between 137 and 410 years?
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  In this case, the dealer is getting an hour.
  - MrDarcy 1y ago
    Elon is the dealer. He gets no penalty and richer from this.
- lukan 1y ago
  "1g of cocaine might get 10-30 days" Source please. Otherwise there is a significant difference between using and selling.
  - torstenvl 1y ago
    Source is my own two decades working in the criminal justice system, as both a prosecutor and a defense attorney. But perhaps your experience as an attorney differs from mine.
  - Supermancho 1y ago
    >> "1g of cocaine might get 10-30 days" > Source please. Google: how many days of jail time 1 gram cocaine california As with many legal questions, the matter of jurisdiction comes into play. Possession of any amount in Texas, is supposed to dictate a higher length sentence on average. Florida, heavier than CA but far less than TX guidelines. In actuality, courts tend to sentence based on defendant history and current political climate.
peterfirefly 1y ago
> "You did too much crime. Therefore, we will charge you for fewer crimes! Bulk discount!" That's pretty much how courts work :(

fvrghl 1y ago

This is how parking tickets work in NYC. FedEx, etc negotiate down the total amount they have to pay because they have so many tickets.

araes 1y ago

Seems like a lot of parts of America have already learned that idea. Fat Leonard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Leonard_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Leonard_scandal "Lets take the entire United States Seventh Fleet to the South Pacific for prostitutes and classified material handovers." 60 admirals got investigated. One, Admiral Gilbeau, got the first felony on active duty in modern history = 1.5 year prison, and continue collecting your $10,000 monthly pension (while in prison). There were admittedly some punishments, there was also a lot of community service, misdemeanor, $100.

fragmede 1y ago
That's a helluva story, thanks for sharing!