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They define in-party and out-party very weirdly for multiparty systems like the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. In NL, if I'm a leftie, I have 3-4 reasonable p
by skrebbel 1y ago
They define in-party and out-party very weirdly for multiparty systems like the Netherlands, Denmark and Norway. In NL, if I'm a leftie, I have 3-4 reasonable parties to choose from. Most people voting for any of these parties won't deeply hate any of the other. Similar stuff on the right, or along a conservative/progressive axis. But the authors do this:
> Thus, we follow these studies and define the in-party as the party receiving the highest score among all parties rated by the respondent on the party feeling thermometers.4 The out-party measure is drawn from the average of all other parties’ feeling thermometer scores, weighted by their respective vote shares.
By mixing all the other parties that aren't the in-party, they mix parties the voter is quite OK with, with parties that the voter deeply and passionately detests. I can't imagine this not skewing the graphs enormously.
For example, if you're right wing in NL you get to choose between the anti-Muslim party, the conspiracy theory anti-Muslim party, the farmers-against-immigrants party, the God-wants-the-death-penalty party, and the regular oldschool conservative right wing party (who call themselves "liberals", by the way). Most right-wing voters will have a strong preference among this lot, but at the same time they won't mind deeply if one of the other options wins elections instead.
But they hate hate hate the progressives! A few weeks ago right wing protesters attacked and trashed the HQ of one of the more progressive parties (D66). The hatred is very deep (and mutual), totally unlike what the graphs in this article show you.
- victorbjorklund 1y agoAgreed. I'm from Sweden and most here are OK with another party on their side. But the hate towards the opposite side is still there.
- Jensson 1y agoBut according to the article its much less hated in Sweden than for example USA or Greece, and we can see how the out party used to not be as hated in USA but is very hated now, while the levels in Sweden were always kind of modest while Greece the out party was always hated. So its interesting to see these dynamics.
- skrebbel 1y agoThis is my entire point. It’s because Sweden has many parties and their math groups politically close parties with politically distant parties as “the outparty”. It might be correct, but if the Swedes weren’t modest at all but deeply hated parties on the other side of the spectrum (but not the ones nearby), you’d see roughly the same graph.
- constantius 1y agoMaybe you're in a bubble in terms of knowing how people feel about out-parties, as your descriptions of right-wing parties are too caricatural for you to not be biased. I'm in the same bubble and don't think most people view things that way. Your point about skewed results is right though: reading through the paper's annex on dataset construction, no distinction is made between out-parties. An analysis based on political spectrum-based clusters of parties would have been more telling, though the current methodology is probably on point for the more echo-chambered people.
- skrebbel 1y ago> your descriptions of right-wing parties are too caricatural for you to not be biased Fair, obviously I'm a leftie. But I don't believe that PVV voters are going to be equally angry when FvD wins the elections than when D66 does. I can make caricatures and still understand that about right-wing voters. Plus we have the exact same on the left, you can choose between the closeted maoists, the educated-elites-pretending-to-care-about-workers party, the educated-elites-not-even-pretending-to-care-about-workers party, the God-loves-workers-but-hates-gays party and the party against the humans (but for the animals). Seriously the only party I can't come up with an obvious caricature of is CDA but then again they don't really stand for anything so it fits.