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> You're constantly making and throwing away relationships. Yeah, this lifestyle basically only works as a single young adult. Once you have a significant othe
by porphyra 1y ago
> You're constantly making and throwing away relationships.
Yeah, this lifestyle basically only works as a single young adult. Once you have a significant other, it's very, very hard. Once you have a kid, it's impossible.
- jhbadger 1y agoPaul Erdős basically lived most of the second half of his (extremely productive) adult life like this (although he lived out of a suitcase rather than a backpack so he had slightly more room). Although granted he never married and had no children. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Erd%C5%91s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Erd%C5%91s
- sandspar 1y agoErdos is awesome but he's so singular that I think his exception makes the rule.
- jojobas 1y agoRelatively few people's economic output can compare with them producing new people. If your last name is not Feynman or Curie your most valuable contribution to the society is a couple of kids.
- Jedd 1y agoCounterpoint - the best single thing you can do for the planet, in terms of minimising your consumption / ecological footprint, is to not spawn.
- tenuousemphasis 1y agoProbably the single best thing you can do for the planet is become a green energy lobbyist.
- ptsneves 1y agoNo need to blame it on one’s spawn, one can start now… Also why is ecological footprint even important itself? Our eco system has no more reason to exist than any of its components, including humans.
- bluebarbet 1y agoWhile true, it's functionally irrelevant. Humans are animals, animals procreate. Telling people not to do it because reasons is going to be about as effective as telling them not to eat or sleep. What I would like to see is a norm on numbers of children. Personally, I think that having more than the replacement number - i.e. more than 2 - is straightforwardly unethical given the stress our planet is under. But by the same token, 2 or fewer is fine. And it would be nice if those who choose to have none got a little more respect for it.
- 542354234235 1y agoBut humans can actually make conscious choices beyond their base animal pressures. We use prophylactics even though those go against our animal pressure to procreate. We help strangers even if it won't improve our own situation and without any expectation of future reciprocation. We have to eat and sleep to live, we don't have to have children. We also have cultural pressures, which can shape individual behavior. We could have a culture where the default is not to have kids, but that you should not have kids unless you are stable and secure enough to have then and are prepared to invest sufficiently in raising them.
- jojobas 1y agoWorse, than that, if you preach antinatalism it has any chance of catching up with people of some knowledge and reflection, leaving the Earth to the children of those of less knowledge and reflection.
- adastra22 1y ago1) This is simply not true. 2) Why tf should I car about the planet over human happiness?
- jibal 1y agoIt is true. And google sociopathy.
- anthonypasq 1y agothe planet is a rock
- account42 1y agoThis will only result in others reproducing more to replace those who are predispositioned to think like you. Also, have fun not having anyone to take care about you when you grow old. And your retirement won't be worth shit either without a new generation to keep the economy going. Yeah no thanks, fuck your anti-natalism. You might as well remove your own ecological footprint if you would deny your children's their existence for that reason.
- Jedd 1y agoI think perhaps you have misunderstood what a counterpoint is.
- Dylan16807 1y agoI'm not sure about this math. What percent of my kids' economic output am I supposed to take credit for? And even if it's "all of it", if you can make some big company or semi-common job 0.00001x more efficient then that's a bigger impact than having kids.
- rhubarbtree 1y agoAnything you can do, your kids can also do, so leverage.
- Dylan16807 1y ago1. I exist at a particular point in time with particular skills. My kids cannot do the same things. 2. Even if they did do the same thing, getting it done 30 years earlier has a bigger effect. 3. I still don't think it's right for me to take 100% credit for everything my kids do.
- rhubarbtree 1y agoNot sure if that’s good faith, but of course your kids’ contribution doesn’t have to be the same one you make. That would be absurd. If you don’t have kids, their contributions won’t exist.
- Dylan16807 1y agoIt's good faith, I wasn't sure how literal you were being so I threw it in. But importantly my kids might be more capable than me or less capable than me to effect change. Who knows! > If you don’t have kids, their contributions won’t exist. My choices alter a million things about the future. If we look at everything I was a critical step in causing then we're going to massively overvalue my contributions. Also, shouldn't all my contributions be chocked up to my ancestors if that's how we're doing it? Leaving me with no points of my own?
- jojobas 1y ago
- doix 1y ago> Yeah, this lifestyle basically only works as a single young adult. Once you have a significant other, it's very, very hard. I've been doing it with my significant other for 5ish years now. I would say it's _much_ harder to do it solo and I would've settled down long ago if it wasn't for her.
- adastra22 1y agoGet back to us when you have a kid.
- porphyra 1y ago> I would've settled down long ago if it wasn't for her. Maybe it's much harder for her then, since you're the one who wants to settle down but she has to drag you around with only a backpack!
- doix 1y agoNo, we're both happy. I just mean if I was solo, the throwing away relationships part would get exhausting. When you travel with a partner, you at least have one person that's constant through out the whole thing. She feels the same way.
- Loocid 1y agoI agree with the kid point, but YouTube is littered with travel influencer couples that are living this lifestyle. I would imagine if you had significant other to join you on this lifestyle, it would be significantly easier since your companionship is covered.
- dominicrose 1y agoyoutube isn't real life, it's what the algorithm shows
- Loocid 1y agoOf course, my main point was my second sentence and was using YouTube as an example. I know I'd be much happier travelling with my partner than solo.
- adastra22 1y agoThese people’s lives are not what they’re showing in the YouTube channel.