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The linked tweet notes that this is an important milestone in getting Ladybird considered as an alternative browser engine in iOS.

jonny_eh 1y ago
Good context for why "Apple" is in the headline
jsheard 1y ago
...in the EU at least, anywhere else Apple is going to say "no" regardless of how good your engine is.
- andrewl-hn 1y ago
  How does it work for the likes of Google and Mozilla? Do they use their own engines for iOS versions in the EU and wrap WebKit for other areas?
  - chrisldgk 1y ago
    AFAICT, Chrome and Firefox on iOS are still just WebKit wrappers. I’d love for that to change though, WebKit in iOS sucks in quite a few ways.
    - m-s-y 1y ago
      such as? I consider myself a power user and I've never run into anything I couldn't handle or get around. Genuinely curious.
      - akersten 1y ago
        No support for uBlock Origin and other tools that make the web sane
        WD-42 1y ago
        Orion is doing it somehow on iOS in a way I still don’t really understand.
        lukashahnart 1y ago
        As far as I know, they just emulate the Chrome extension API right?
        pavon 1y ago
        No they aren't? https://orionfeedback.org/d/9145-ublock-origin-not-existent-on-ios https://orionfeedback.org/d/9145-ublock-origin-not-existent-... https://orionfeedback.org/d/11882-ublock-origin-not-functioning-at-all-on-ios https://orionfeedback.org/d/11882-ublock-origin-not-function...
        GeekyBear 1y ago
        Chrome doesn't allow the full version of uBlock Origin on desktop, or any version of it on mobile. How does Chrome have so much market share?
        bigyabai 1y ago
        Blink supports Windows, Android and Linux better than WebKit or Gecko does, to name at least one one reason. If it weren't for uBlock I'd probably be using a Chrome fork right now.
        GeekyBear 1y ago
        Chrome on Android makes the web completely unusable without having access to uBlock, especially on resource constrained devices. Chrome on Windows doesn't allow the full version of uBlock Origin that still works on the YouTube website. It's just Google abusing its browser monopoly in the name of ad revenue.
        bigyabai 1y ago
      - jampekka 1y ago
        Web devs make huge efforts to work around WebKit's issues. It's the new IE6.
        Klonoar 1y ago
        WebKit is not lacking in things your average dev needs and it’s not that big of a deal to work around, much like it’s not that big a deal to work around things in Gecko - or presumably Ladybird whenever it becomes usable enough.
      - chrisldgk 1y ago
        For me it’s a lot of layout and rendering bugs that I run into with somewhat normal CSS transforms. Anytime I build a site that has any kind of animation, there’s at least one weird rendering bug on iOS. Also that stupid playsInline prop that if you forget it makes any video in the viewport hijack the browser and go fullscreen.

jonny_eh 1y ago

Good context for why "Apple" is in the headline

jsheard 1y ago

...in the EU at least, anywhere else Apple is going to say "no" regardless of how good your engine is.

andrewl-hn 1y ago
How does it work for the likes of Google and Mozilla? Do they use their own engines for iOS versions in the EU and wrap WebKit for other areas?
- chrisldgk 1y ago
  AFAICT, Chrome and Firefox on iOS are still just WebKit wrappers. I’d love for that to change though, WebKit in iOS sucks in quite a few ways.
  - m-s-y 1y ago
    such as? I consider myself a power user and I've never run into anything I couldn't handle or get around. Genuinely curious.
    - akersten 1y ago
      No support for uBlock Origin and other tools that make the web sane
      - WD-42 1y ago
        Orion is doing it somehow on iOS in a way I still don’t really understand.
        lukashahnart 1y ago
        As far as I know, they just emulate the Chrome extension API right?
        pavon 1y ago
        No they aren't? https://orionfeedback.org/d/9145-ublock-origin-not-existent-on-ios https://orionfeedback.org/d/9145-ublock-origin-not-existent-... https://orionfeedback.org/d/11882-ublock-origin-not-functioning-at-all-on-ios https://orionfeedback.org/d/11882-ublock-origin-not-function...
      - GeekyBear 1y ago
        Chrome doesn't allow the full version of uBlock Origin on desktop, or any version of it on mobile. How does Chrome have so much market share?
        bigyabai 1y ago
        Blink supports Windows, Android and Linux better than WebKit or Gecko does, to name at least one one reason. If it weren't for uBlock I'd probably be using a Chrome fork right now.
        GeekyBear 1y ago
        Chrome on Android makes the web completely unusable without having access to uBlock, especially on resource constrained devices. Chrome on Windows doesn't allow the full version of uBlock Origin that still works on the YouTube website. It's just Google abusing its browser monopoly in the name of ad revenue.
        bigyabai 1y ago
    - jampekka 1y ago
      Web devs make huge efforts to work around WebKit's issues. It's the new IE6.
      - Klonoar 1y ago
        WebKit is not lacking in things your average dev needs and it’s not that big of a deal to work around, much like it’s not that big a deal to work around things in Gecko - or presumably Ladybird whenever it becomes usable enough.
    - chrisldgk 1y ago
      For me it’s a lot of layout and rendering bugs that I run into with somewhat normal CSS transforms. Anytime I build a site that has any kind of animation, there’s at least one weird rendering bug on iOS. Also that stupid playsInline prop that if you forget it makes any video in the viewport hijack the browser and go fullscreen.