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Exactly. Like, don't store it in the cloud of an enemy country of course. But if it's encrypted and you're keeping a live backup in a second country with a se
by crazygringo 1y ago
Exactly.
Like, don't store it in the cloud of an enemy country of course.
But if it's encrypted and you're keeping a live backup in a second country with a second company, ideally with a different geopolitical alignment, I don't see the problem.
- OvbiousError 1y agoEnemy country in the current geopolitical climate is an interesting take. Doesn't sound like a great idea to me tbh.
- deaddodo 1y agoThere are a lot of gray relations out there, but there’s almost no way you could morph the current US/SK relations to one of hostility; beyond a negligible minority of citizens in either being super vocal for some perceived slights.
- 9dev 1y agoTrump will find a way, just as he did with Canada for example (i mean, Canada of all places). Things are way more in flux than they used to be. There’s no stability anymore.
- shantara 1y agoA year ago, I would have easily claimed the same thing about Denmark.
- throwaway2037 1y agoI don't follow. Can you share more context?
- marcosdumay 1y agoThe US is threatening to invade Greenland, what means active war with Denmark.
- throwaway2037 1y agoGreat point! I forgot that Greenland is not (yet) an independent nation. It is still a part of Denmark.
- smcin 1y agoThe current US admin's threats to annex Greenland, an autonomous territory of Denmark.
- gitremote 1y agoYou think when ICE arrested over 300 South Korean citizens who were setting up a Georgia Hyundai plant and subjected them to alleged human rights abuses, it was only a perceived slight? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/south-korea-human-rights-investigation-immigration-raid_n_68c85eb6e4b0bf99dd245b18 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/south-korea-human-rights-inve... How Trump’s ICE Raid Triggered Nationwide Outrage in South Korea https://www.newsweek.com/trump-ice-raid-hyundai-outrage-south-korea-2126752 https://www.newsweek.com/trump-ice-raid-hyundai-outrage-sout... 'The raid "will do lasting damage to America's credibility," John Delury, a senior fellow at the Asia Society think tank, told Bloomberg. "How can a government that treats Koreans this way be relied upon as an 'ironclad' ally in a crisis?"'
- deaddodo 1y agoYes.
- kergonath 1y agoOne could have said the exact same thing about US-EU relations just a couple of years ago. And yet, here we are.
- t-3 1y agoFrom the perspective of securing your data, what's the practical difference between a second country and an enemy country? None. Even if it's encrypted data, all encryption can be broken, and so we must assume it will be broken. Sensitive data shouldn't touch outside systems, period, no matter what encryption.
- Avamander 1y agoAny even remotely proper symmetric encryption scheme "can be broken" but only if you have a theoretical adversary with nearly infinite power and time, which is in practice absolutely utterly impossible. I'm sure cryptographers would love to know what makes it possible for you to assume that say AES-256 or AES-512 can be broken in practice for you to include it in your risk assessment.
- 9dev 1y agoYou’re assuming we don’t get better at building faster computers and decryption techniques. If an adversary gets hold of your encrypted data now, they can just shelf it until cracking becomes eventually possible in a few decades. And as we’re talking about literal state secrets here, they may very well still be valuable by then.
- stavros 1y agoBarring any theoretical breakthroughs, AES can't be broken any time soon even if you turned every atom in the universe into a computer and had them all cracking all the time. There was a paper that does the math.
- Avamander 1y agoYou make an incorrect assumption about my assumptions. Faster computers or decryption techniques will never fundamentally "break" symmetric encryption. There's no discrete logarithm or factorization problem to speed up. Someone might find ways to make for example AES key recovery somewhat faster, but the margin of safety in those cases is still incredibly vast. In the end there's such an unfathomably vast key space to search through.
- manquer 1y agoThe problem is money, you are seeing the local storage decision under the lens of security, that is not the real reason for this type of decision. While it may have been sold that way, reality is more likely the local DC companies just lobbied for it to be kept local and cut as many corners as they needed. Both the fire and architecture show they did cut deeply. Now why would a local company voluntary cut down its share of the pie by suggesting to backup store in a foreign country. They are going to suggest keep in country or worse as was done here literally the same facility and save/make even more ! The civil service would also prefer everything local either for nationalistic /economic reasons or if corrupt then for all kick backs each step of the way, first for the contract, next for the building permits, utilities and so on.
- vkou 1y agoA country can become an adversary faster than a government can migrate away from it.
- crazygringo 1y agoHence a backup country. I already covered that. But while countries go from unfriendly to attacking you overnight, they don't generally go from friendly to attacking you overnight.
- vkou 1y agoOvernight, Canada went from being an ally of the US to being threatened by annexation (and target #1 of an economic war). If the US wants its state-puppet corporations to be used for integral infrastructure by foreign governments, it's going to need to provide some better legal assurances than 'trust me bro'. (Some laws on the books, and a congress and a SCOTUS that has demonstrated a willingness to enforce those laws against a rogue executive would be a good start.)