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> Jobs excelled at taking a niche product category and reinventing it for the masses. Huh? Jobs didn’t invent much of anything. Woz reinvented personal computi

by tw04 1y ago

> Jobs excelled at taking a niche product category and reinventing it for the masses. Huh? Jobs didn’t invent much of anything. Woz reinvented personal computing, Jobs built a money printing machine around it. Hullot convinced Jobs to have an engineering group work on turning the iPod into the iPhone. Apple wouldn’t be what it is without Jobs but the people who give him all the credit for inventions he had almost nothing to do with gets exhausting. About the only thing I think was HIS idea was the Lisa, and that was an absolute disaster.

tpmoney 1y ago
I think you're reading "reinvent" here too literally. I doubt the OP literally thinks that Jobs personally designed every part of the iPhone and simply directed mindless drones to just do the dirty work of manufacturing it. But I think it's fair to say that Jobs' vision and direction of what the iPhone can and should be absolutely "reinvented" the category of "smart phone" for the masses.
- tw04 1y ago
  > But I think it's fair to say that Jobs' vision And I think it’s fair to call that revisionist history of the worst kind. It wasn’t his vision at all. Someone else had the vision and had to sell Jobs on it who was initially skeptical.
  - tpmoney 1y ago
    So are you saying that had Hullot taken his ideas to any other company, the result would have been the same phone? Again, no one is saying that Jobs was solely responsible for the things Apple has done, or that other people weren't major parts of that. Even Hullot's own words tell us that the phone design he had in mind was not the touch based keyboard-less design that the iPhone became[1]: In 2006, Steve decided to make this telephone: the iPod was on the decline and he had the brainwave of producing a laptop without a keyboard - something that was unthinkable at the time, and which caused quite a stir at Apple. We were a secret project, barely known to Apple France. He says he pushed the idea that Apple needed to create a phone with "the equivalent of Mac OS 10", but that's a very nebulous statement, that could range from iOS style to WindowsCE style. But again, no one who talks about the vision Jobs had for products (or at least no one who actually knows Apple history) believes that Jobs himself was responsible for everything and handing down fully formed ideas and designs from on high. [1]: https://www.inria.fr/en/jean-marie-hullot-perforated-cards-iphone https://www.inria.fr/en/jean-marie-hullot-perforated-cards-i...
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huseyinkeles 1y ago
What do you think would happen to Woz if he never met Jobs? I’m sure he would’ve been a very successful engineer regardless but I doubt we would even know his name. I’m not saying this to dispute his achievements etc. But it’s very one sided to attribute all the achievements to either one of them.

by tw04 1y ago

tpmoney 1y ago

I think you're reading "reinvent" here too literally. I doubt the OP literally thinks that Jobs personally designed every part of the iPhone and simply directed mindless drones to just do the dirty work of manufacturing it. But I think it's fair to say that Jobs' vision and direction of what the iPhone can and should be absolutely "reinvented" the category of "smart phone" for the masses.

tw04 1y ago
> But I think it's fair to say that Jobs' vision And I think it’s fair to call that revisionist history of the worst kind. It wasn’t his vision at all. Someone else had the vision and had to sell Jobs on it who was initially skeptical.
- tpmoney 1y ago
  So are you saying that had Hullot taken his ideas to any other company, the result would have been the same phone? Again, no one is saying that Jobs was solely responsible for the things Apple has done, or that other people weren't major parts of that. Even Hullot's own words tell us that the phone design he had in mind was not the touch based keyboard-less design that the iPhone became[1]: In 2006, Steve decided to make this telephone: the iPod was on the decline and he had the brainwave of producing a laptop without a keyboard - something that was unthinkable at the time, and which caused quite a stir at Apple. We were a secret project, barely known to Apple France. He says he pushed the idea that Apple needed to create a phone with "the equivalent of Mac OS 10", but that's a very nebulous statement, that could range from iOS style to WindowsCE style. But again, no one who talks about the vision Jobs had for products (or at least no one who actually knows Apple history) believes that Jobs himself was responsible for everything and handing down fully formed ideas and designs from on high. [1]: https://www.inria.fr/en/jean-marie-hullot-perforated-cards-iphone https://www.inria.fr/en/jean-marie-hullot-perforated-cards-i...

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huseyinkeles 1y ago

What do you think would happen to Woz if he never met Jobs? I’m sure he would’ve been a very successful engineer regardless but I doubt we would even know his name. I’m not saying this to dispute his achievements etc. But it’s very one sided to attribute all the achievements to either one of them.