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Retiring Test-Ipv6.com
- lazystar 1y ago> I am shutting the site down, with a target of "during winter break" (December) 2025. there is an engineer somewhere out there who will get paged on christmas due to a hidden dependency on this site being up, heh. that old xkcd comic comes to mind.
- finaard 1y agoThat's karma for all the times the guy running that site had to deal with entitled emails. I had my fair share of those as well - a bit over 2 decades ago I've added a CGI script to perform various DNS queries to my website - main purpose at that time was being able to show my customers DNS issues from their Windows boxes tied to corporate DNS. Eventually some others added it to their documentation, with the most prominent one being OVH - they had a description on how to use my web site in various languages in their domain troubleshooting pages for many years. I received a fair share of emails of people who were not able to figure out that I'm _not_ working for OVH, and I'm neither interested nor capable in solving their domain hosting issues with them. They eventually built their own frontend, and by now it's mainly one guy from the Netherlands that now and then demands that I urgently add a new feature to the script.
- section_me 1y agoA big thank you to the creator. Was one of my goto sites to debug IPv6 issues on random devices over the years.
- perryizgr8 1y agoHow much does it cost to run this sort of website? This one in particular has been a great help to me many times.
- rwmj 1y agoThere's a lot of bad actors on the internet, which makes running a small website quite a chore -- and this one is much more visible than the average small website. At the very minimum you must keep it up to date, because it will be under a constant barrage of exploit attempts. Then there are DDoS attacks (people have tried to used my webserver as a way to DDoS my ISP in the past). Then there's the crazy people who will email you demanding why you broke their IPv6 or that you urgently fix some issue that and they are "losing money" because of it.
- sltkr 1y agoI get that popularity comes with problems, but I don't see how the attack surface is any larger than a normal website? It looks like the entire site is implemented in Javascript, which tries to fetch resources from various HTTPS URLs, some of which are configured to serve only over IPv6, others only over IPv4. But that just requires configuring a normal webserver to serve regular HTTP traffic, which is the bare minimum exposure to exploits any website has.
- rwmj 1y agoWhat I actually said is that it's a chore to run a small website, and that applies even to a simple static site (although you're right, way more if your site runs backend scripts). Bad actors are still going to try to DDoS you, attack your static webserver, and send you entitled emails.
- dgacmu 1y agoGeolocation queries are probably one of the bigger costs. Google is a rip-off here but to use them as an example, they charge $2.83 per 1000 lookups for the first 90k/month. You could easily spend a few hundred per month that way.
- ryandrake 1y agoIf you were trying to set up a replacement for this site that's cheaper to run, you could probably drop the geolocation feature, it's not really necessary.
- dgacmu 1y agoDefinitely agreed
- toast0 1y agoMaxMind's GeoLite database is a good alternative to paying for ip geolocation. You don't typically need super precise data for something like this.
- reincoder 1y agoI work for IPinfo, and this is a tangent note on a tangent note. We offer a free IP geolocation database, and we recently started providing an unlimited API query service for free against that database. Maintaining an IP geolocation database requires some upkeep. You have to download the database regularly (in our case, daily) to keep the data fresh, and you need a system in place to make it useful. That’s why we created a dedicated API tier that offers unlimited requests. The data is being used by many open-source projects, so we’re simply doing our part to support them by providing both the data and the API infrastructure service. Last year, we processed over 2 trillion API requests across all our API services. There are many projects, Open Source and Enterprise, that are making billions of requests daily, and they are on a free tier plan.
- epx 1y agoThanks for the service. Showed that site to my own ISP's technicians when they were having difficulties to activate IPv6 support.
- denysvitali 1y agoUnfortunately the reason is not because IPv6 is now globally available and IPv4 disappeared :( Either way, a huge thank you from my side as well, this website has been (and still is) a very good troubleshooting tool to fix my IPv6 deployments
- goku12 1y agoSomething about the tone of that post is troubling me. Is it just me or does anybody else sense a bit of distress in those words? He seems to want to keep it private, though. Whatever it is, I hope he has better times ahead with the gratitude of all those who used his service.
- preisschild 1y agoUnfortunately, a lot of the remaining holdouts are just network engineers who just can't be arsed to learn anything new...
- OCTAGRAM 1y agoWe had plenty of enlightened network engineers, but eventually government wanted some torrents to stop working. Torrents were installing 6to4, Teredo and so on and hoping to work this way. But government agents were doing checks. Government agents were checking WiFi networks here and there, and ISPs. And government agents also had those torrents installed, and they could easily enable 6to4, Teredo, all of that. As soon as any such loophole permits opening forbidden website, every party gets serious fines. So they were runnning circles in panic. And blocking, blocking, blocking. That's how our dream of IPv6 died. We don't dream about IPv6 anymore. Our network engineers do learn new things. How to block. There was no DPI, now there is. A new dimension of progress.
- grishka 1y agoFor me personally, IPv6 still feels like something that only exists in datacenters. I've had it for ages on my servers, but never in my life have I seen a home internet connection that supports it. I'm always surprised to see that I'm using IPv6 whenever I travel e.g. to Europe.
- hypeatei 1y agoTangential, but does anyone else struggle with their ISP implementing poor routing over IPv6 which results in packet loss? Mine does and I'm forced to use IPv4 which is behind CGNAT so that causes other issues but at least no lost packets. The tier 2 support I've talked to has hot patched issues but then they re-surface a few weeks later.
- extr0pian 1y agoName and shame.
- denysvitali 1y agoNot my ISP (Init7 FTW!), but my router (Mikrotik) is notoriously infamous for being a total crap at IPv6 (see for example https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2021-05-28-configured-and-returned-mikrotik-ccr2004-for-fiber7/ https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2021-05-28-configured-an...) In my particular case there seems to be an odd bug / misconfiguration from my side that makes the router / clients from time to time loose the IPv6 routing. The fallback is... a connection hanging forever. The only fix? Reconnecting to the Wi-Fi to get refresh the DHCP lease. I debugged it for waay too long, and at this point I'm 80% convinced it's a Mikrotik bug of some sort.
- ancarda 1y agoAre you running the long-term (6.x) branch? RouterOS 7.x (stable) is much better at IPv6 as far as I know.
- denysvitali 1y agoI'm using 7.19.2 at the moment, still has this bug (or again, could be a misconfiguration from my side, but it looks veeery odd)
- keysersoze33 1y agoAnother Init7 customer here (awesome ISP); I can recommend using OPNsense/pfSense or OpenWrt on alternative hardware P.S. I have a R86S-G4 to sell, which is pretty good for running any of these at 10Gb speeds - feel free to DM me if interested (or let me know if I should DM you)
- IgorPartola 1y agoIf you are deploying a greenfield project in 2025 and you don’t bother setting up IPv6, you are failing. Also all internal virtual networks should by this point be IPv6 only or at least dual stack. The fact that we got unit testing to be the norm before IPv6 is negligent.
- rwmj 1y agoThe comment above was being downvoted quite a lot, and I'd quite like to know why. It seems reasonable to ensure that IPv6 works as a basic requirement for new projects (at least, ones which can be connected to a network).
- slackfan 1y agoThe bell curve of engineering skill dictates that most don't want any new ideas that are outside their bubble.
- vachina 1y agoIf something takes 10x the effort for 0x the return most will not do it.
- dingnuts 1y agoif the Internet actually managed to move to v6 the end of NAT and CGNAT would be a huge win. Also, look at the price of every v4 address you have to rent, and compare it to v6 and tell me there's no return. I've practically built an entire career out of finding ways for customers to use fewer v4 addresses and the demand is there because v4 addresses are expensive as shit due to their scarcity.
- rwmj 1y agoI agree there is definitely more work required to get something working with IPv6 (though not 10x). However to say that doing this is "0 x the return". You're ignoring a solid third to half of the broad internet, which is not nothing. Plus if you're trying to sell to me then I'm definitely not going to adopt your product if you've made no effort on IPv6.
- kingstnap 1y agoIt was a great service over the past 1.5 decades.
- jakebasile 1y agoI work with the engineer behind this (different team, but we interact semi-often and work on overlapping projects), but had no idea it was him until I looked at the little copyright notice in the footer. He is a fascinating guy and a fantastic engineer (one of those 10x engineers you hear about) while being humble and always willing to help out. Thanks for the site for the last 15 years, it's helped me a number of times.
- fotta 1y agoWow I saw jfesler on the page and instantly knew who. I never knew either! Awesome guy.
- scrollaway 1y agoHe wouldn’t happen to be a guy in Nebraska by any chance?
- tgsovlerkhgsel 1y agoIf he doesn't read the thread here, please tell him that a random internet user would like to thank him very much for providing this awesome service, fully understands his choice, and congratulates him for having the willpower to make the choice that is right for him rather than lighting himself on fire to keep others warm.
- zb3 1y agoAh, so I'll never be able to experience finally passing that test.. couldn't you wait like 50 years or something? My ISP needs some time..
- omoikane 1y agoWe probably need just another 15 years, since it took ~15 years to reach ~50% IPv6 adoption. https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html
- AndrewDucker 1y agoStill not quite there. Only at 49.86% as of today.
- inickt 1y agoAnyone have a good replacement if a different organization is not able to take over? This has always been my favorite IPv6 test site, and really appreciate the author maintaining it for so long.
- pooyamo 1y agoI've written a similar CLI tool (not a website), netq [1]. I believe it can be an alternative to some of the functionalities of the website. If one is able to get a public IPv6 from a public IP finder service, I guess that means his machine is able to access the IPv6 internet. netq -6 p netq -4 p Some finders report ISP too (use -r). Also, kudos to jfesler for his works on maintaining the website through the years. [1]: https://github.com/pvonmoradi/netq https://github.com/pvonmoradi/netq
- michaelcampbell 1y agoIt is absolutely amazing to me how far IPV4 + NAT have taken us.
- betaby 1y agoNot that far if we talk traffic volumes. Most of the traffic nowadays is Google/Meta -> mobile phones eyeballs. That's traffic is overwhelmingly IPv6.
- sedatk 1y agoNowadays is about 30 years after IPv6 was introduced.
- preisschild 1y agoUnfortunately too far. CGNAT for residential & mobile internet service is a mess we could have avoided by switching to IPv6 completely
- scrollaway 1y agoMaybe the ISG would be interested in taking this over, possibly with some sponsorship money?
- ancarda 1y agoOh this hurts a lot. I don't know of a good alternative to this website. Other sites I've found either run fewer tests (so are less useful for debugging) or incorrectly claim I don't have IPv6 (I do?). I don't suppose we can donate some money to keep this website up? Or perhaps some company like CloudFlare would like to host a mirror?
- shrink 1y agoReach out to ben[1] from IPinfo, he took over ip4.me, ip6.me and a number of other websites following the passing of Kevin Loch earlier this year[2]. I am sure he would be happy to keep test-ipv6.com running without compromising it :) Very reputable, a great track record! [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=coderholic https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=coderholic [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43256298 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43256298
- coderholic 1y agoThank you, appreciate it! I've reached out to Jason - hopefully we're able to keep the site alive!
- kwar13 1y agoThanks for the service. I used it to figure out what's wrong with my ISP's ipv6 and even though I never figured it out a fix your website definitely helped a lot. Side note: I find ipv6 complex and very difficult to use. Might be because of the poor experience with my ISP, but still...
- jmbwell 1y agoI definitely owe this guy a beer or coffee and hope to have a chance to make good on it.
- Phelinofist 1y agoMeanwhile Github still does not support IPv6
- buttocks 1y agoPlease don’t turn it over to Cloudflare.
- uyzstvqs 1y agoFor anyone who is in need of a basic IPv6 test: https://ipv6test.google.com/ https://ipv6test.google.com/
- fodkodrasz 1y agoWhat does this test? It tells me I don't have IPv6, but I won't have any problems. Green check-mark. What does this mean at all? I went tot he page for info on my IPv6 connectivity, not a politician's campaign doublespeak.
- alberth 1y agoNaive question, but does this site actually require much ongoing maintenance? I’ve used it for years and find it incredibly useful (& am appreciative of its existence) - just didn’t realize it needed much upkeep.
- tylervigen 1y agoI am not the author, but can speak as someone who has kept a "seemingly simple" semi-popular web service online for many years with no/low maintenance: it often comes down to the fact that issues tend to pop up just when you don't have time to work on them. It is usually not a lot of maintenance, but it feels like a lot when you have to dive back in to something that you haven't thought about in months. It ends up being a source of very low level chronic stress. I can totally see why shifts in other priorities would make it attractive to decommission.
- reassess_blind 1y agoCould this site be run essentially free on Cloudflare using their managed transform headers features?