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Some notable apps without fixes (which I have installed locally): * 1Password.app * Bruno.app * Claude.app (oh noes!) * Cursor.app * Docker.app * Dropbox

Some notable apps without fixes (which I have installed locally): * 1Password.app * Bruno.app * Claude.app (oh noes!) * Cursor.app * Docker.app * Dropbox Dash.app * Dropbox.app * Element.app * GitKraken.app * Graphite.app * HEY.app (shame on DHH!) * Keeper Password Manager.app (it's not just 1Password) * Keybase.app * Kiro.app (come on, AWS!) * Ledger Live.app (crypto seems to lag behind Web 2.0 still!) * Loom.app * Notion Calendar.app * Notion Mail.app * Notion.app * Pocket Casts.app * Podman Desktop.app * Proton Mail.app * Proton Pass.app (all major password manager apps are in trouble) * Redis Insight.app * Sculptor.app * Simplenote.app (shame on photomatt!) * Texts.app (although it's possibly now replaced by Beeper) * Tonkeeper.app * Windsurf - Next.app * WorkFlowy.app * itch.app * krisp.app

rezonant 1y ago
> * HEY.app (shame on DHH!) There are much better reasons to shame DHH.
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jen20 1y ago
The number of major companies doing half-assed javascript bullshit instead of proper native macOS apps is ridiculous. This did remind me to go cancel 1Password though, something I'd been meaning to do since they switched _to_ electron...
- mikamika83 1y ago
  Meh. VSCode is a fantastic piece of software, one I never had a problem with before Tahoe.
  - skydhash 1y ago
    Still not half of vim or a quarter of emacs.
    - mikamika83 1y ago
      Love my 1985 Chevy and my 2025 (insert not very hated auto make here). Each has its uses
  - jen20 1y ago
    That's what happens when people use private APIs... there's no problem until there is.
    - mikamika83 1y ago
      Wise, applies to every piece of software on earth.
  - WD-42 1y ago
    Compared to what? I find it telling that the original creators of electron are now writing a new editor with native code because even they can’t stand electron. It’s like they are trying to write a wrong they did to the world.
    - mikamika83 1y ago
      compared to... nothing... I love it. It's subjective. I love what it does and it's my favorite piece of software because it does what i need it to do, every time, all the time.
    - gfehhffvvv 1y ago
      Xcode, Visual Studio (the original I mean), PyCharm et al., Eclipse, vim, emacs, Notepad++, Sublime… hmm that’s all the IDEs and text editors I can remember using significantly in a professional context. I prefer VSCode to those.
  - nikolay 1y ago
    It is, true, but Zed is getting better and better every day!
- WD-42 1y ago
  An entire browser runtime for a password manager are you kidding me. It’s upside down world.
- cosmic_cheese 1y ago
  I'm switching away from 1Password as soon as v7 stops working. I use v8 on my work machine and it's a serious downgrade and AgileBits' handling of criticism around it has been just as bad.
  - TheTon 1y ago
    Ditto. Happily using 7, but if they ever break it I’m switching to Apple Passwords.
    - kstrauser 1y ago
      I did that last year and haven’t looked back. And I can share passwords with my family without paying an arm and a leg. Pity. I used 1P for many, many years and recommended it to everyone I knew. I feel like it’s completely lost the plot, though.
- dawnerd 1y ago
  It's actually shocking to see 1pass use electron. They had great first party support but that explains why the app has been absolute garage post v7.
- lenkite 1y ago
  Both MS and Apple have screwed up. WinUI3 is simply terrible and SwiftUI is a horrible headache. Is there any wonder that people are mass migrating to web frameworks ?
  - jen20 1y ago
    It’s not surprising, but the reason it isn’t surprising is abject lack of respect for users rather than framework complexity.
binaryturtle 1y ago
What is that? Like 32x >100MB junk overhead per app? ~4GiB gone from the disk just to hold the same broken copy of some framework/library? It's quite the insanity, isn't it? If there was one copy of that electron (e.g. installed to /Library somewhere) which all apps would simply use then you only would need to update one copy. Less disk space wasted. All apps fixed in one go. Back in the old days on the Commodore Amiga we would just do that… install some .library to SYS:Libs/ first if a program required it. It's not like this process was so complicated nobody could do it, right?
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- charcircuit 1y ago
  >It's not like this process was so complicated nobody could do it, right? Don't underestimate the utility of write once run anywhere. Needing to ensure compatibility with a bunch of different browser engines is not simple.
- whatever1 1y ago
  No F shared libraries. Seriously. Memory and storage is cheap enough nowadays to not have to deal with the insanity that shared libraries cause. I don’t care if I use 30gb of memory to run a browser and a note taking app.
  - jonhohle 1y ago
    Some of us do care. Devs should respect users systems more than their own instead of crapping all over them with Electron. I’d almost go as far as to say that it’s evil. Wasting resources, energy, people’s time, and money.
  - solid_fuel 1y ago
    I don't understand why it's all-or-nothing. We know how to version things pretty well these days, why is there no blended solution where libraries are shared but version aware? I don't mind having two different versions of electron on my laptop but I don't want 30 copies of the same version.
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shelled 1y ago
Hey - "Shame" is somewhat stronger than what I would have said but I also had similar feelings considering it was from DHH's company. And not just for outdated Electron, but for shipping Electron in the first place. For some reason I always felt DHH will write native apps for his company :) I have absolutely lost hope from Dropbox and I am actively looking for a replacement. BitWarden using Electron is just unfortunate and it is sluggish. What happened to 1Password (don't use it, never did) and their Apple only-great-native-software trope I used to hear? Cost cutting? Electron is the reason I am still using Overcast and not Pocket Casts even though it's FOSS. Proton Mail - this app is such a mess! Simplenote - moved away long back! When did Electron come into it? It was native, wasn't it?
- cosmic_cheese 1y ago
  > What happened to 1Password (don't use it, never did) and their Apple only-great-native-software trope I used to hear? Cost cutting? They started chasing B2B/corporate, and as part of that switched their desktop app over to Electron and replaced the old UI of 7 with a generic flat blobby SaaS type design. They lost their botique app shop feel and now blend in with the usual greasy SaaS fare.
nikolay 1y ago
Update: Meanwhile, Podman Desktop got fixed!

rezonant 1y ago

> * HEY.app (shame on DHH!) There are much better reasons to shame DHH.

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jen20 1y ago

The number of major companies doing half-assed javascript bullshit instead of proper native macOS apps is ridiculous. This did remind me to go cancel 1Password though, something I'd been meaning to do since they switched _to_ electron...

mikamika83 1y ago
Meh. VSCode is a fantastic piece of software, one I never had a problem with before Tahoe.
- skydhash 1y ago
  Still not half of vim or a quarter of emacs.
  - mikamika83 1y ago
    Love my 1985 Chevy and my 2025 (insert not very hated auto make here). Each has its uses
- jen20 1y ago
  That's what happens when people use private APIs... there's no problem until there is.
  - mikamika83 1y ago
    Wise, applies to every piece of software on earth.
- WD-42 1y ago
  Compared to what? I find it telling that the original creators of electron are now writing a new editor with native code because even they can’t stand electron. It’s like they are trying to write a wrong they did to the world.
  - mikamika83 1y ago
    compared to... nothing... I love it. It's subjective. I love what it does and it's my favorite piece of software because it does what i need it to do, every time, all the time.
  - gfehhffvvv 1y ago
    Xcode, Visual Studio (the original I mean), PyCharm et al., Eclipse, vim, emacs, Notepad++, Sublime… hmm that’s all the IDEs and text editors I can remember using significantly in a professional context. I prefer VSCode to those.
- nikolay 1y ago
  It is, true, but Zed is getting better and better every day!
WD-42 1y ago
An entire browser runtime for a password manager are you kidding me. It’s upside down world.
cosmic_cheese 1y ago
I'm switching away from 1Password as soon as v7 stops working. I use v8 on my work machine and it's a serious downgrade and AgileBits' handling of criticism around it has been just as bad.
- TheTon 1y ago
  Ditto. Happily using 7, but if they ever break it I’m switching to Apple Passwords.
  - kstrauser 1y ago
    I did that last year and haven’t looked back. And I can share passwords with my family without paying an arm and a leg. Pity. I used 1P for many, many years and recommended it to everyone I knew. I feel like it’s completely lost the plot, though.
dawnerd 1y ago
It's actually shocking to see 1pass use electron. They had great first party support but that explains why the app has been absolute garage post v7.
lenkite 1y ago
Both MS and Apple have screwed up. WinUI3 is simply terrible and SwiftUI is a horrible headache. Is there any wonder that people are mass migrating to web frameworks ?
- jen20 1y ago
  It’s not surprising, but the reason it isn’t surprising is abject lack of respect for users rather than framework complexity.

binaryturtle 1y ago

What is that? Like 32x >100MB junk overhead per app? ~4GiB gone from the disk just to hold the same broken copy of some framework/library? It's quite the insanity, isn't it? If there was one copy of that electron (e.g. installed to /Library somewhere) which all apps would simply use then you only would need to update one copy. Less disk space wasted. All apps fixed in one go. Back in the old days on the Commodore Amiga we would just do that… install some .library to SYS:Libs/ first if a program required it. It's not like this process was so complicated nobody could do it, right?

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charcircuit 1y ago
>It's not like this process was so complicated nobody could do it, right? Don't underestimate the utility of write once run anywhere. Needing to ensure compatibility with a bunch of different browser engines is not simple.
whatever1 1y ago
No F shared libraries. Seriously. Memory and storage is cheap enough nowadays to not have to deal with the insanity that shared libraries cause. I don’t care if I use 30gb of memory to run a browser and a note taking app.
- jonhohle 1y ago
  Some of us do care. Devs should respect users systems more than their own instead of crapping all over them with Electron. I’d almost go as far as to say that it’s evil. Wasting resources, energy, people’s time, and money.
- solid_fuel 1y ago
  I don't understand why it's all-or-nothing. We know how to version things pretty well these days, why is there no blended solution where libraries are shared but version aware? I don't mind having two different versions of electron on my laptop but I don't want 30 copies of the same version.

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shelled 1y ago

Hey - "Shame" is somewhat stronger than what I would have said but I also had similar feelings considering it was from DHH's company. And not just for outdated Electron, but for shipping Electron in the first place. For some reason I always felt DHH will write native apps for his company :) I have absolutely lost hope from Dropbox and I am actively looking for a replacement. BitWarden using Electron is just unfortunate and it is sluggish. What happened to 1Password (don't use it, never did) and their Apple only-great-native-software trope I used to hear? Cost cutting? Electron is the reason I am still using Overcast and not Pocket Casts even though it's FOSS. Proton Mail - this app is such a mess! Simplenote - moved away long back! When did Electron come into it? It was native, wasn't it?

cosmic_cheese 1y ago
> What happened to 1Password (don't use it, never did) and their Apple only-great-native-software trope I used to hear? Cost cutting? They started chasing B2B/corporate, and as part of that switched their desktop app over to Electron and replaced the old UI of 7 with a generic flat blobby SaaS type design. They lost their botique app shop feel and now blend in with the usual greasy SaaS fare.

nikolay 1y ago

Update: Meanwhile, Podman Desktop got fixed!