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I think most users don't want their data to be used by anyone and everyone. I sure don't. If one user needs access to their own data, they can always export it

I think most users don't want their data to be used by anyone and everyone. I sure don't. If one user needs access to their own data, they can always export it and take it where they please. For most people the dangers of openness (see Cambridge Analytica), the lack of upside and the lack of security in small players mean that walled gardens are the best solution for the majority of people. This lawsuit is exactly why people trust walled gardens to keep their data walled off. Because I trusted LinkedIn, not ProAPI and whatever malicious actors they sell to.

neilv 1y ago
> This lawsuit is exactly why people trust walled gardens to keep their data walled off. Because I trusted LinkedIn, not [...] Obviously LinkedIn is also in the business of selling the data about you, and also access to you. LinkedIn just doesn't like this other company leeching off that data LinkedIn got about you, and then competing with LinkedIn in making money off that data (including access).
- LamaOfRuin 1y ago
  But linkedin is doing so in accordance with the legal agreement you have with them, which I am able to exit at any time and instruct them to remove my data. I can't do this for every company that illegally (in many jurisdictions) hordes information about me.
  - add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
    You're currently on one of the very few sites with no delete/edit button for your own content (after a short initial period.) It's the only site I can think of that hoards my data like that. Which is why I only post anonymous throwaway content here.
- motoxpro 1y ago
  Selling data inside their walled garden in a way I am OK with in exchange for a free service. Not a 3rd party selling my information to a scam farm in a foreign land that has no laws that will use all of that information to extract money from my parents.
MangoToupe 1y ago
I don't even trust LinkedIn, but it's not like I can sue them for offering antisocial terms, let alone force them to a negotiation table. It's just a shitty situation all around. At the very least they should pay me to use the site if they're making money off of it.
- motoxpro 1y ago
  If everyone has access to your data it becomes even more worthless and you will definitely not get aid for it. At least now I can keep it somewhere and they can use it to fund engineers to keep the service up, lawyers to make sure your data stays safe, etc. You are free to leave and delete your data, unlike if everyone has access to it then it is out there in perpetuity. You definitely can't sue a data broker to pay you/stop using your data.
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singlepaynews 1y ago
I sure do! If LinkedIn can't market my resume to open roles then letting recruiters roll their own scrapers against it is the next best thing. I understand that LI owns my data, I just wish they were effective in using it! (edit: "my" data, as in the data I post there.)
- motoxpro 1y ago
  I guess that was my point, YOU are free to export your data and post it on the internet, but don't make everyone (me) do the same.
  - singlepaynews 1y ago
    I don't see how I (or LinkedIn) is making you do anything? LinkedIn is a place I can post data. I choose to do so in an attempt to market my resume. I fully expect that the data I post on LinkedIn's server becomes and is the property of LinkedIn, and wish it was more effective at extracting value from it? Because LinkedIn is less effective than I'd like, I support 3rd parties scraping the data I posted there, again on the hope that they'd be more successful at marketing that data, which I would benefit from as the data is my resume.
    - motoxpro 1y ago
      We're in agreement. I was just saying I don't support 3rd parties scraping my data so as they just get yours and not mine then have at it!
reorder9695 1y ago
I think trusting data you post publicly to only remain exactly where you publish it is naive at best. I think it's much more sensible to think that as soon as you put something public, it will exist somewhere forever, and it's foolish to believe otherwise.

neilv 1y ago

> This lawsuit is exactly why people trust walled gardens to keep their data walled off. Because I trusted LinkedIn, not [...] Obviously LinkedIn is also in the business of selling the data about you, and also access to you. LinkedIn just doesn't like this other company leeching off that data LinkedIn got about you, and then competing with LinkedIn in making money off that data (including access).

LamaOfRuin 1y ago
But linkedin is doing so in accordance with the legal agreement you have with them, which I am able to exit at any time and instruct them to remove my data. I can't do this for every company that illegally (in many jurisdictions) hordes information about me.
- add-sub-mul-div 1y ago
  You're currently on one of the very few sites with no delete/edit button for your own content (after a short initial period.) It's the only site I can think of that hoards my data like that. Which is why I only post anonymous throwaway content here.
motoxpro 1y ago
Selling data inside their walled garden in a way I am OK with in exchange for a free service. Not a 3rd party selling my information to a scam farm in a foreign land that has no laws that will use all of that information to extract money from my parents.

MangoToupe 1y ago

I don't even trust LinkedIn, but it's not like I can sue them for offering antisocial terms, let alone force them to a negotiation table. It's just a shitty situation all around. At the very least they should pay me to use the site if they're making money off of it.

motoxpro 1y ago
If everyone has access to your data it becomes even more worthless and you will definitely not get aid for it. At least now I can keep it somewhere and they can use it to fund engineers to keep the service up, lawyers to make sure your data stays safe, etc. You are free to leave and delete your data, unlike if everyone has access to it then it is out there in perpetuity. You definitely can't sue a data broker to pay you/stop using your data.
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singlepaynews 1y ago

I sure do! If LinkedIn can't market my resume to open roles then letting recruiters roll their own scrapers against it is the next best thing. I understand that LI owns my data, I just wish they were effective in using it! (edit: "my" data, as in the data I post there.)

motoxpro 1y ago
I guess that was my point, YOU are free to export your data and post it on the internet, but don't make everyone (me) do the same.
- singlepaynews 1y ago
  I don't see how I (or LinkedIn) is making you do anything? LinkedIn is a place I can post data. I choose to do so in an attempt to market my resume. I fully expect that the data I post on LinkedIn's server becomes and is the property of LinkedIn, and wish it was more effective at extracting value from it? Because LinkedIn is less effective than I'd like, I support 3rd parties scraping the data I posted there, again on the hope that they'd be more successful at marketing that data, which I would benefit from as the data is my resume.
  - motoxpro 1y ago
    We're in agreement. I was just saying I don't support 3rd parties scraping my data so as they just get yours and not mine then have at it!

reorder9695 1y ago

I think trusting data you post publicly to only remain exactly where you publish it is naive at best. I think it's much more sensible to think that as soon as you put something public, it will exist somewhere forever, and it's foolish to believe otherwise.