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I think a good way to shame politicians that push this type of erosion of civil liberties is to label it at gestapoware.
by nisten 1y ago
I think a good way to shame politicians that push this type of erosion of civil liberties is to label it at gestapoware.
- Netcob 1y agoFor some more recent crimes against society and humanity, I'd also compare it to Stasi. Plenty of people alive today who lived with that. Around 1 in 30 people was secretly telling on their neighbors. After unification, it was presented as a dark chapter in German history that had finally come to an end. People would get to look into their own "file" to see what and how much had been written about their daily activities. I was a bit young at the time, but I do remember frequent discussions on TV about how to move on from this, and how to make sure it doesn't happen again. And now we're talking about reading everyone's private messages on a scale that would be the Stasi's wet dream. I wonder - if the Stasi had been presented as a legitimate way to fight CSAM - would that have been okay?
- 1718627440 1y agoThey did say these protesting on the street are outlaws who also rape and kill the little children.
- petre 1y agoUnsurprisingly the Stasi and Gestapo types always say things like that.
- beezlewax 1y agoThe Stasi while more recent and more correct a name to use here are still something not everyone knows about to the same extent as the gestapo.
- volkl48 1y agoIn Germany they certainly do.
- detaro 1y agoindeed. Gestapo is "a long time ago", Stasi is something half the country at least knows people personally affected by.
- clickety_clack 1y agoStasi works better if this is a purely German question, but this is an international issue. Gestapoware is way more obvious than Stasiware for people outside Germany, while both surely resonate inside the country.
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- some_random 1y agoThe trouble is that the Stasi are not seen in as negative of a light as the Gestapo.
- Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe 1y agoFern did a phenomenal video about Stasi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj7HX7I8KHs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj7HX7I8KHs
- hommelix 1y agoStasiware is more appropriate. Stasi (Staatssicherheit) was the administration in charge of spying each citizen of east Germany. It runs until 1989. So more people remember the opening of the archives in the 1990ies.
- bikson 1y agoStasiware. I like that.
- weinzierl 1y agoBesides that this is likely a criminal offense in Germany[1] we tried it 16 years ago with "Zensursula" and you can see how that turned out. [1] §86a StGB "Use of symbols of unconstitutional organizations" applies also to words, not just symbols in the strict sense. It is also enforced in broad coarse strokes for example on the usage of the swastika inside a red prohibition circle (the one with a diagonal bar). EDIT: Looking back at my comment, I realize it might come across as too negative. If you think shaming politicians is the right way to protest this, go for it. I just believe convincing politicians that the spirit they summon may easily slip from their control and turn against them is a more likely successful angle.
- raffael_de 1y agoThis or §90a ... anyway, better keep your bathrobe in reach in case they come visit you at dawn.