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SF, Dallas, and Houston all have Democratic leadership that could be described as center left? (For America. To an outsider, America has two conservative partie

by lkey 1y ago

SF, Dallas, and Houston all have Democratic leadership that could be described as center left? (For America. To an outsider, America has two conservative parties) The unhoused are 'stakeholders' too actually, so I'd describe Cali's problem as listening too much to wealthy/powerful stakeholders, while ignoring those most impacted. Who can forget Newsom's camp-destroying photo-op and forced bussing the undesirables out of town to prevent people from seeing 'crime' aka 'poverty'. These institutions are not log-jammed by accident. "You cater to trying to listen to every voice" Reader, they only listen to their friends and donors, this is the problem. These 'listening sessions' you are told are 'stopping progress' exist to placate legitimate concerns. Blaming unions is also fun, I heard that a lot back in Cali, no matter the issue, no matter the union, from the wealthiest people. Politicians that seem to do almost nothing are preferred by the donor class. Bog standard Democrats have more smoke for Zohran (the sincere housing and affordability guy) than they have for their 'Republican colleagues' in this era. That should tell you everything you need to know. "This level of ineffectiveness just enables authoritarianism ("at least they get something done") and gets people to seek the private industry for their solutions." EXACTLY. THIS IS INTENTIONAL. PUBLIC COST, PRIVATE PROFIT IS THE GOAL. A WELFARE STATE FOR BUSINESSES, NOT PEOPLE.

queenkjuul 1y ago
100%. Class solidarity is extremely strong amongst the wealthy.
- pyuser583 1y ago
  Then why are the wealthy supporting left candidates, while working class supporting Trump. This is a really toxic dynamic, and I don’t understand it.
  - Fade_Dance 1y ago
    That's what the previous poster was getting at - moderate left cantidates are not bad for the wealthy. Very status quo. As for the working class, they don't feel represented, and the strongman shift is a predictable and toxic dynamic.
  - UltraSane 1y ago
    [flagged]
    - pyuser583 1y ago
      Isn’t racism a pretty good proxy for class? PJ O’Rourke quipped, “Racism is very lower-class. Upper-class people are never racists; they’re anti-Semites.” At universities this is especially true. Racism is not tolerated, anti-Semitism “depends on the context.”
      - detaro 1y ago
        Nah, "upper" class is just better at wording it in less obvious ways when being too open about it is not politically opportune.
      - UltraSane 1y ago
        No. Racism is used by the rich to divide the poor and keep them from fighting the rich that are actually exploiting them.
      - queenkjuul 1y ago
        I've known plenty of wealthy racists, and there's one running the country right now, and i don't believe you at all regarding universities.
    - mensetmanusman 1y ago
      12%
      - UltraSane 1y ago
        More like 70%
  - solid_fuel 1y ago
    Because Trump, for all the problems and crimes, represents _action_. I hate what he has done to this country and the government, this administration is nothing but cronyism and self-enrichment the whole way down. But, it does show a different standard of action. The wealthy are supporting candidates who offer lip service to leftist policies and then do nothing to cut through basic red tape and court challenges. The "leftist" candidates that the rich support run on building more housing, and then let the rezoning take 15 years in committee. Here, in Seattle, Bruce Harrell would be a perfect example. He ran on transit, policing reform, and housing, and in the time he has been in office he has accomplished - nothing. No majors action has been attempted, and even minor reforms have been stuck in endless committees for this whole time. But he was happy to intervene to move a major transit station to a place less convenient for commuters and more convenient for his donors. The next candidate the democrats put up for president is probably going to be pretty uninspiring, and talk a lot about a return to norms. But that's exactly what is wrong with the party. The next Democrat that runs for president should be promising massive reform - if Kash Patel can fire an FBI agent for having a pride flag on their desk 3 years ago then the next guy running the FBI should be firing any agent that has ever used a slur or received a substantiated complaint about use of force or violating civil rights. If Trump can yank funding from cities for no reason, then the next Democrat in office should be cutting funding from any city with a housing shortage that doesn't enact zoning reform. In short - wealthy donors love Democrats who talk big but wring their hands about using the power they are given. Because that keeps the system exactly the way the wealthy want it.
    - tw04 1y ago
      Most of the things you’re describing he “can’t” do, but his party won’t impeach him and the Supreme Court is complacent if not intentionally incompetent. You can bet, with 100% certainty, the standard will change for a democratic president. There’s a reason half the shit he’s doing is being decided on the SCOTUS shadow docket and it’s because they want to be able to tell a Democrat no for doing the same thing in the future.
      - solid_fuel 1y ago
        The court isn't complacent, the conservative justices know exactly what they're doing. They are operating under the belief that once a president from the other party gets elected again, they will still have the old rules to fall back on. But the ultimate truth of power is that the bounds are whatever you can get away with. Both the republicans in congress and the supreme court are burning every shred of legitimacy they have left in letting Trump get away with his crimes. I am certain the standard will suddenly change when a democrat gets elected again, but the court has set itself up for a perfect "now let him enforce it" moment. Student loan forgiveness gets blocked by the courts but the administration is allowed to block funds allocated by congress with no push back? Well, that's the new standard. I certainly won't complain much if the next democrat in office starts doing the same thing. If the republicans didn't want the president to have that power, they should do something about it.
  - eli_gottlieb 1y ago
    The highly educated (which correlates with being wealthy) support Left candidates, while the K-12 educated (which correlates with being working class) support Trump. But it's questionable whether a class reversal still appears in the data once you control for educational polarization.
  - queenkjuul 1y ago
    Lmfao which billionaires are supporting which leftists? The answer is none.
    - pyuser583 1y ago
      2024 election map of New York City: https://projects.thecity.nyc/election-results-voter-turnout-Harris-Trump-map/ https://projects.thecity.nyc/election-results-voter-turnout-... Manhattan isn't supporting Trump. Staten Island is.
      - Braxton1980 1y ago
        Manhattan isn't a person neither is Staten Island. How does this show who billionaires voted for?
      - queenkjuul 1y ago
        No leftists were running in that election. Let's see how Zohran's map looks
  - hollandheese 1y ago
    The wealthy aren't supporting left candidates. They are supporting Democratic candidates. These Democratic candidates fully believe in capitalism and support the same things that the wealthy support. Some in the working-class support Trump for cultural issues since no one supports their economic issues. It's quite easy to understand when you stop looking at what the politicians tell the rubes and see what they actually do.

by lkey 1y ago

queenkjuul 1y ago

100%. Class solidarity is extremely strong amongst the wealthy.

pyuser583 1y ago
Then why are the wealthy supporting left candidates, while working class supporting Trump. This is a really toxic dynamic, and I don’t understand it.
- Fade_Dance 1y ago
  That's what the previous poster was getting at - moderate left cantidates are not bad for the wealthy. Very status quo. As for the working class, they don't feel represented, and the strongman shift is a predictable and toxic dynamic.
- UltraSane 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - pyuser583 1y ago
    Isn’t racism a pretty good proxy for class? PJ O’Rourke quipped, “Racism is very lower-class. Upper-class people are never racists; they’re anti-Semites.” At universities this is especially true. Racism is not tolerated, anti-Semitism “depends on the context.”
    - detaro 1y ago
      Nah, "upper" class is just better at wording it in less obvious ways when being too open about it is not politically opportune.
    - UltraSane 1y ago
      No. Racism is used by the rich to divide the poor and keep them from fighting the rich that are actually exploiting them.
    - queenkjuul 1y ago
      I've known plenty of wealthy racists, and there's one running the country right now, and i don't believe you at all regarding universities.
  - mensetmanusman 1y ago
    12%
    - UltraSane 1y ago
      More like 70%
- solid_fuel 1y ago
  Because Trump, for all the problems and crimes, represents _action_. I hate what he has done to this country and the government, this administration is nothing but cronyism and self-enrichment the whole way down. But, it does show a different standard of action. The wealthy are supporting candidates who offer lip service to leftist policies and then do nothing to cut through basic red tape and court challenges. The "leftist" candidates that the rich support run on building more housing, and then let the rezoning take 15 years in committee. Here, in Seattle, Bruce Harrell would be a perfect example. He ran on transit, policing reform, and housing, and in the time he has been in office he has accomplished - nothing. No majors action has been attempted, and even minor reforms have been stuck in endless committees for this whole time. But he was happy to intervene to move a major transit station to a place less convenient for commuters and more convenient for his donors. The next candidate the democrats put up for president is probably going to be pretty uninspiring, and talk a lot about a return to norms. But that's exactly what is wrong with the party. The next Democrat that runs for president should be promising massive reform - if Kash Patel can fire an FBI agent for having a pride flag on their desk 3 years ago then the next guy running the FBI should be firing any agent that has ever used a slur or received a substantiated complaint about use of force or violating civil rights. If Trump can yank funding from cities for no reason, then the next Democrat in office should be cutting funding from any city with a housing shortage that doesn't enact zoning reform. In short - wealthy donors love Democrats who talk big but wring their hands about using the power they are given. Because that keeps the system exactly the way the wealthy want it.
  - tw04 1y ago
    Most of the things you’re describing he “can’t” do, but his party won’t impeach him and the Supreme Court is complacent if not intentionally incompetent. You can bet, with 100% certainty, the standard will change for a democratic president. There’s a reason half the shit he’s doing is being decided on the SCOTUS shadow docket and it’s because they want to be able to tell a Democrat no for doing the same thing in the future.
    - solid_fuel 1y ago
      The court isn't complacent, the conservative justices know exactly what they're doing. They are operating under the belief that once a president from the other party gets elected again, they will still have the old rules to fall back on. But the ultimate truth of power is that the bounds are whatever you can get away with. Both the republicans in congress and the supreme court are burning every shred of legitimacy they have left in letting Trump get away with his crimes. I am certain the standard will suddenly change when a democrat gets elected again, but the court has set itself up for a perfect "now let him enforce it" moment. Student loan forgiveness gets blocked by the courts but the administration is allowed to block funds allocated by congress with no push back? Well, that's the new standard. I certainly won't complain much if the next democrat in office starts doing the same thing. If the republicans didn't want the president to have that power, they should do something about it.
- eli_gottlieb 1y ago
  The highly educated (which correlates with being wealthy) support Left candidates, while the K-12 educated (which correlates with being working class) support Trump. But it's questionable whether a class reversal still appears in the data once you control for educational polarization.
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  Lmfao which billionaires are supporting which leftists? The answer is none.
  - pyuser583 1y ago
    2024 election map of New York City: https://projects.thecity.nyc/election-results-voter-turnout-Harris-Trump-map/ https://projects.thecity.nyc/election-results-voter-turnout-... Manhattan isn't supporting Trump. Staten Island is.
    - Braxton1980 1y ago
      Manhattan isn't a person neither is Staten Island. How does this show who billionaires voted for?
    - queenkjuul 1y ago
      No leftists were running in that election. Let's see how Zohran's map looks
- hollandheese 1y ago
  The wealthy aren't supporting left candidates. They are supporting Democratic candidates. These Democratic candidates fully believe in capitalism and support the same things that the wealthy support. Some in the working-class support Trump for cultural issues since no one supports their economic issues. It's quite easy to understand when you stop looking at what the politicians tell the rubes and see what they actually do.