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Who cares? My point is the international community regards the settlements as illegal and if Israel cared about that they would immediately and completely with

Who cares? My point is the international community regards the settlements as illegal and if Israel cared about that they would immediately and completely withdraw.

dotancohen 1y ago
And my point is that the international community, which mostly comprise of Arab nations, Muslim nations, or nations that rely on Arab oil, has been shown to levy accusations and resolutions against the state that the Arab and Muslim nations are united to destroy. If there was merit to the claim that Jews building houses in the West Bank is illegal, they would have stated which law is being transgressed.
- BrenBarn 1y ago
  Are there any countries at all that recognize the West Bank settlements as legal?
  - krageon 1y ago
    AFAIK no but the person you responded to is dogwhistling by repeatedly referencing "arab" and "muslim". They're using it to imply that not only does the UN not matter, they're also positioning these words as the implicit enemy. It's a bad faith way to approach this argument, so asking logical questions won't make a difference and will tire you out. That's the core strategy behind that behaviour.
    - bawolff 1y ago
      I think a more charitable read would be they are claiming that Israel's geopolitical rivals have undue influence in certain UN organs and are using that influence to unfairly single out Israel. Its not exactly a crazy claim. The UN is a political entity, its not above the influence of geopolitics. The former secretary general of the UN, Ban ki moon at one point (quite a while ago now) said that "Decades of political maneuvering have created a disproportionate number of resolutions, reports and committees against Israel".
      - BrenBarn 1y ago
        The thing is that if not one single country agrees with you it kind of goes beyond just "undue influence".
      - tguvot 1y ago
        If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions. Abba Eban Sometime between 1967 and 1975
  - dotancohen 1y ago
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- ta20240528 1y ago
  Out of curiosity, do you think Israel could 'find a law being broken' if thousand of Palestinians started building houses, towns, farms, and exclusive roads inside Israel - all protected by Palestinian soldiers? Or would it just be so obviously illegal to adults?
  - dotancohen 1y ago
    You leave me two things to address. First, the easy one. The only exclusive roads are exclusive to Palestinians. There are no Jew-only roads, despite our enemies saying it again and again. Second, the other easy one. Your question is predicated on the assumption that those building houses, towns, and farms are doing so against the will of the body which administrates the territory. Jews in the West Bank build in Area C - other than a tiny extremist minority whose structures are then wiped away by the Israeli authorities. I'm certain if you're partaking in this conversation then you are familiar enough with the administrative divisions of the West Bank to know that Area C was designated by agreement with the Palestinian Authority for Israeli civil development. There's two ways you could counter my argument - I'm interested to see which one you choose! The Shabbat is coming in soon, so I'll answer you on Sunday or Monday. Shabbat Shalom.
    - mmustapic 1y ago
      > There are no Jew-only roads True, there are Israeli-only roads: https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/200408_forbidden_roads https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/200408_forbid...
      - dotancohen 1y ago
        What's wrong with that? Does the United States not have US-only roads (that Mexican citizens in Mexico) can't drive on. Those roads link Areas C. Either you know what that means so I don't need to explain it, or you don't know enough about the agreements between the PA and the state of Israel to discuss this. Just in case you are in the later camp, as I stated, there are Palestinian-only roads in Areas A. Those are found throughout the West Bank, everywhere. Only in a single place exists the Israeli-only road. So the argument about "Jew-only roads" is not only a lie, it is an inversion of true state of affairs.

Who cares? My point is the international community regards the settlements as illegal and if Israel cared about that they would immediately and completely withdraw.

dotancohen 1y ago

And my point is that the international community, which mostly comprise of Arab nations, Muslim nations, or nations that rely on Arab oil, has been shown to levy accusations and resolutions against the state that the Arab and Muslim nations are united to destroy. If there was merit to the claim that Jews building houses in the West Bank is illegal, they would have stated which law is being transgressed.

BrenBarn 1y ago
Are there any countries at all that recognize the West Bank settlements as legal?
- krageon 1y ago
  AFAIK no but the person you responded to is dogwhistling by repeatedly referencing "arab" and "muslim". They're using it to imply that not only does the UN not matter, they're also positioning these words as the implicit enemy. It's a bad faith way to approach this argument, so asking logical questions won't make a difference and will tire you out. That's the core strategy behind that behaviour.
  - bawolff 1y ago
    I think a more charitable read would be they are claiming that Israel's geopolitical rivals have undue influence in certain UN organs and are using that influence to unfairly single out Israel. Its not exactly a crazy claim. The UN is a political entity, its not above the influence of geopolitics. The former secretary general of the UN, Ban ki moon at one point (quite a while ago now) said that "Decades of political maneuvering have created a disproportionate number of resolutions, reports and committees against Israel".
    - BrenBarn 1y ago
      The thing is that if not one single country agrees with you it kind of goes beyond just "undue influence".
    - tguvot 1y ago
      If Algeria introduced a resolution declaring that the earth was flat and that Israel had flattened it, it would pass by a vote of 164 to 13 with 26 abstentions. Abba Eban Sometime between 1967 and 1975
- dotancohen 1y ago
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ta20240528 1y ago
Out of curiosity, do you think Israel could 'find a law being broken' if thousand of Palestinians started building houses, towns, farms, and exclusive roads inside Israel - all protected by Palestinian soldiers? Or would it just be so obviously illegal to adults?
- dotancohen 1y ago
  You leave me two things to address. First, the easy one. The only exclusive roads are exclusive to Palestinians. There are no Jew-only roads, despite our enemies saying it again and again. Second, the other easy one. Your question is predicated on the assumption that those building houses, towns, and farms are doing so against the will of the body which administrates the territory. Jews in the West Bank build in Area C - other than a tiny extremist minority whose structures are then wiped away by the Israeli authorities. I'm certain if you're partaking in this conversation then you are familiar enough with the administrative divisions of the West Bank to know that Area C was designated by agreement with the Palestinian Authority for Israeli civil development. There's two ways you could counter my argument - I'm interested to see which one you choose! The Shabbat is coming in soon, so I'll answer you on Sunday or Monday. Shabbat Shalom.
  - mmustapic 1y ago
    > There are no Jew-only roads True, there are Israeli-only roads: https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/200408_forbidden_roads https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/200408_forbid...
    - dotancohen 1y ago
      What's wrong with that? Does the United States not have US-only roads (that Mexican citizens in Mexico) can't drive on. Those roads link Areas C. Either you know what that means so I don't need to explain it, or you don't know enough about the agreements between the PA and the state of Israel to discuss this. Just in case you are in the later camp, as I stated, there are Palestinian-only roads in Areas A. Those are found throughout the West Bank, everywhere. Only in a single place exists the Israeli-only road. So the argument about "Jew-only roads" is not only a lie, it is an inversion of true state of affairs.