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I just don't understand why people accept the sheer arrogance of the design of Tesla vehicles. I don't need to worry about the programming of the computer cont

I just don't understand why people accept the sheer arrogance of the design of Tesla vehicles. I don't need to worry about the programming of the computer controlling the door handle in a Honda civic - it's mechanical and will work in basically all circumstances excluding catastrophic mechanical damage - in which case there's 3 backups on the other doors or I'm crushed anyway and it's irrelevant. Meanwhile I hear story after story of various components on Teslas failing in all sorts of ridiculous circumstances - I recall cybertrucks having issues in car washes. It's insanity.

chasing0entropy 1y ago
Insanity indeed. Along the lines of trusting crucial business functions and general life philosophy to predictive text trained on the internet since no one remembers wow memes accurately proclaiming the true purpose of the internet. A design group that refuses to use lasers or radar for navigation does not prioritize sound engineering of any type let alone worst case design planning.
- measurablefunc 1y ago
  Profits must be made. How do you suppose they do that if they don't rush products to market?
  - chasing0entropy 1y ago
    This is huge revelation for me. Now to determine why I'm still making just over minimum wage and not designing any death traps
userbinator 1y ago
It's form over function. That said, a lot of other newer cars already do not have the classic locking lever and handle arrangement.
tanvach 1y ago
Bringing up the design flaws of my Model Y in any Tesla groups and I got endless amount of toxicity or aggressive responses. Theres a lot of fanboyism unfortunately. Reminds me of Apple during the Jobs era, but more insidious.
- raspasov 1y ago
  It’s true that before Apple Silicon one could make the argument that the hardware benefits of a Mac were mostly incremental vs a PC. But today that’s not true anymore. Today Apple is both form and function. I’ve personally heard many misguided people still repeating blindly that Apple is “just” fancy design without having used Apple Silicon computer.
  - orwin 1y ago
    Apple computers (unlike their tablet or phones) are saved by extremely good Devs who managed to implement a very good package versions control, brew, and a lot of external software (non-webkit browser being the biggest) make the computer actually good. I think Apple native package version control is worse than IIS pre-version 7, and that's saying something (maybe it's better now, but that used to be the worse).
    - raspasov 1y ago
      What is Apple native package version control? Almost everyone that I know uses brew. And even people who swear by Linux use it, so obviously props to brew. Apple computers now use more or less the same architecture as their phones, based on ARM. That is why you can install most iPad apps on macOS, and they typically work surprisingly well without any customization. Shared GPU and RAM are a game-changer for efficiency, speed, and battery life. What is the distinction between computers and phones/tablets you're referring to? PS FWIW I've used IIS all the way back in Windows XP days. It worked well enough for my needs at that point to run a basic web server from my home computer!
      - orwin 1y ago
pjbk 1y ago
Today I drove past a new Tesla Model Y, still with a temporary paper tag. As I was passing by I immediately noticed some pretty heavy water condensation inside one of the lateral tail braking lights. I just rolled my eyes.
- raspasov 1y ago
  Wow. If true that’s embarrassing.
protocolture 1y ago
"I had silicon valley interns reinvent the car from first principles, surely this wont have any consequences"
- bigstrat2003 1y ago
  In fairness, it's good to be willing to try a different approach from first principles. It's very easy to get locked in by your preconceptions about what works, and as a result miss out on better approaches. The thing is, you also have to have the humility to admit that the new approach is not turning out to be better, and uh... Elon doesn't have that to say the least.
  - protocolture 1y ago
    I agree to an extent. If the new approach shows some kind of merit, and that merit is not going to destroy one of your primary requirements, go for it. But doing it for no reason doesnt make a lot of sense.
- numbsafari 1y ago
  They certainly move fast and break things.
Gigachad 1y ago
Cybertruck owners are mentally lacking. That was obvious from the start.
- OutOfHere 1y ago
  Young people just don't have the necessary life knowledge and experiences to avoid unsafe choices. The mental capacity often develops after some harsh life lessons, so long as one survives them.

chasing0entropy 1y ago

Insanity indeed. Along the lines of trusting crucial business functions and general life philosophy to predictive text trained on the internet since no one remembers wow memes accurately proclaiming the true purpose of the internet. A design group that refuses to use lasers or radar for navigation does not prioritize sound engineering of any type let alone worst case design planning.

measurablefunc 1y ago
Profits must be made. How do you suppose they do that if they don't rush products to market?
- chasing0entropy 1y ago
  This is huge revelation for me. Now to determine why I'm still making just over minimum wage and not designing any death traps

userbinator 1y ago

It's form over function. That said, a lot of other newer cars already do not have the classic locking lever and handle arrangement.

tanvach 1y ago

Bringing up the design flaws of my Model Y in any Tesla groups and I got endless amount of toxicity or aggressive responses. Theres a lot of fanboyism unfortunately. Reminds me of Apple during the Jobs era, but more insidious.

raspasov 1y ago
It’s true that before Apple Silicon one could make the argument that the hardware benefits of a Mac were mostly incremental vs a PC. But today that’s not true anymore. Today Apple is both form and function. I’ve personally heard many misguided people still repeating blindly that Apple is “just” fancy design without having used Apple Silicon computer.
- orwin 1y ago
  Apple computers (unlike their tablet or phones) are saved by extremely good Devs who managed to implement a very good package versions control, brew, and a lot of external software (non-webkit browser being the biggest) make the computer actually good. I think Apple native package version control is worse than IIS pre-version 7, and that's saying something (maybe it's better now, but that used to be the worse).
  - raspasov 1y ago
    What is Apple native package version control? Almost everyone that I know uses brew. And even people who swear by Linux use it, so obviously props to brew. Apple computers now use more or less the same architecture as their phones, based on ARM. That is why you can install most iPad apps on macOS, and they typically work surprisingly well without any customization. Shared GPU and RAM are a game-changer for efficiency, speed, and battery life. What is the distinction between computers and phones/tablets you're referring to? PS FWIW I've used IIS all the way back in Windows XP days. It worked well enough for my needs at that point to run a basic web server from my home computer!
    - orwin 1y ago

pjbk 1y ago

Today I drove past a new Tesla Model Y, still with a temporary paper tag. As I was passing by I immediately noticed some pretty heavy water condensation inside one of the lateral tail braking lights. I just rolled my eyes.

raspasov 1y ago
Wow. If true that’s embarrassing.

protocolture 1y ago

"I had silicon valley interns reinvent the car from first principles, surely this wont have any consequences"

bigstrat2003 1y ago
In fairness, it's good to be willing to try a different approach from first principles. It's very easy to get locked in by your preconceptions about what works, and as a result miss out on better approaches. The thing is, you also have to have the humility to admit that the new approach is not turning out to be better, and uh... Elon doesn't have that to say the least.
- protocolture 1y ago
  I agree to an extent. If the new approach shows some kind of merit, and that merit is not going to destroy one of your primary requirements, go for it. But doing it for no reason doesnt make a lot of sense.
numbsafari 1y ago
They certainly move fast and break things.

Gigachad 1y ago

Cybertruck owners are mentally lacking. That was obvious from the start.

OutOfHere 1y ago
Young people just don't have the necessary life knowledge and experiences to avoid unsafe choices. The mental capacity often develops after some harsh life lessons, so long as one survives them.