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No one proclaimed that. They announced that Tylenol could be linked to neurological development issues, including autism.

altcognito 1y ago
Why would they do that? Why would they suggest that maybe these two things are related? Why didn't they say it earlier? Didn't they say they were going to release the cause of autism earlier?
estearum 1y ago
"Don't take Tylenol, don't take it. If you just can't… I mean, it's just fight like hell not to take it. There may be a point where you have to and that you have to work out with yourself. So don't take Tylenol." That's what they said, which is fucking stupid. The existing guidance is to discuss use with your doctor and to take the minimum necessary. It is not "fight like hell", ostensibly through fever and significant pain, to avoid it. There is no good evidence to substantiate this belief, and if there were, then it'd be part of the guidance and we wouldn't need somebody who learned acetaminophen == Tylenol at 79 years old saying things like "Don't take Tylenol" on national TV.
- nonethewiser 1y ago
  That is what Trump said about the FDA decision to update labels. I agree it was stupid and misleading. The actual action taken was as the original commenter said. The FDA decisions to update labels said: >The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today initiated the process for a label change for acetaminophen (Tylenol and similar products) to reflect evidence suggesting that the use of acetaminophen by pregnant women may be associated with an increased risk of neurological conditions such as autism and ADHD in children. The agency also issued a related letter alerting physicians nationwide. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-responds-evidence-possible-association-between-autism-and-acetaminophen-use-during-pregnancy https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-resp...
  - estearum 1y ago
    Yes, you're right that the FDA had to downplay pretty much the entirety of the ignorant fearmongering done on national TV by the sitting President and the head of Health and Human Services. This is stupid and bad, actually, and absolutely should be viciously criticized.
    - nonethewiser 1y ago
      I think you have it backwards. Trump was talking about the FDA decision. He way overstated the action.
      - estearum 1y ago
        You are incorrect. FDA's communication came after the press conference. > The announcement __followed__ President Trump’s announcement from the White House in which he repeatedly told pregnant women, “Don’t take Tylenol.” https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5518478-tylenol-acetaminophen-pregnancy-risks/ https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5518478-tylenol-acetam...
        nonethewiser 1y ago
        No that supports what I'm saying. They already made the decision. Yes, Trump announced it then they filed the paperwork. They didnt decide to relabel the next day just based on some comments Trump made the night before lol
        estearum 1y ago
        Nobody claimed that? The claims are that Trump gave people the impression that Tylenol causes autism, which is a claim we've failed to substantiate 100% of the dozens of times we've tried, and that FDA put out guidance that is much, much softer in direct controversion of Trump’s claims. In other words: Trump’s statements weren’t in response to the FDA decision nor was the FDA decision in response to Trump’s statements. Both were distinct responses to the head of HHS (a scientific illiterate and world famous grifting conspiracy theorist) deciding that vague gesticulating about Tylenol could help him meet his self-imposed September deadline to solve autism.

altcognito 1y ago

Why would they do that? Why would they suggest that maybe these two things are related? Why didn't they say it earlier? Didn't they say they were going to release the cause of autism earlier?

estearum 1y ago

"Don't take Tylenol, don't take it. If you just can't… I mean, it's just fight like hell not to take it. There may be a point where you have to and that you have to work out with yourself. So don't take Tylenol." That's what they said, which is fucking stupid. The existing guidance is to discuss use with your doctor and to take the minimum necessary. It is not "fight like hell", ostensibly through fever and significant pain, to avoid it. There is no good evidence to substantiate this belief, and if there were, then it'd be part of the guidance and we wouldn't need somebody who learned acetaminophen == Tylenol at 79 years old saying things like "Don't take Tylenol" on national TV.

nonethewiser 1y ago
That is what Trump said about the FDA decision to update labels. I agree it was stupid and misleading. The actual action taken was as the original commenter said. The FDA decisions to update labels said: >The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today initiated the process for a label change for acetaminophen (Tylenol and similar products) to reflect evidence suggesting that the use of acetaminophen by pregnant women may be associated with an increased risk of neurological conditions such as autism and ADHD in children. The agency also issued a related letter alerting physicians nationwide. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-responds-evidence-possible-association-between-autism-and-acetaminophen-use-during-pregnancy https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-resp...
- estearum 1y ago
  Yes, you're right that the FDA had to downplay pretty much the entirety of the ignorant fearmongering done on national TV by the sitting President and the head of Health and Human Services. This is stupid and bad, actually, and absolutely should be viciously criticized.
  - nonethewiser 1y ago
    I think you have it backwards. Trump was talking about the FDA decision. He way overstated the action.
    - estearum 1y ago
      You are incorrect. FDA's communication came after the press conference. > The announcement __followed__ President Trump’s announcement from the White House in which he repeatedly told pregnant women, “Don’t take Tylenol.” https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5518478-tylenol-acetaminophen-pregnancy-risks/ https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5518478-tylenol-acetam...
      - nonethewiser 1y ago
        No that supports what I'm saying. They already made the decision. Yes, Trump announced it then they filed the paperwork. They didnt decide to relabel the next day just based on some comments Trump made the night before lol
        estearum 1y ago
        Nobody claimed that? The claims are that Trump gave people the impression that Tylenol causes autism, which is a claim we've failed to substantiate 100% of the dozens of times we've tried, and that FDA put out guidance that is much, much softer in direct controversion of Trump’s claims. In other words: Trump’s statements weren’t in response to the FDA decision nor was the FDA decision in response to Trump’s statements. Both were distinct responses to the head of HHS (a scientific illiterate and world famous grifting conspiracy theorist) deciding that vague gesticulating about Tylenol could help him meet his self-imposed September deadline to solve autism.