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The claim I've heard them make is that the food aid is making it in, but being stolen by Hamas so that it can be resold at markup. How do you convince people th

The claim I've heard them make is that the food aid is making it in, but being stolen by Hamas so that it can be resold at markup. How do you convince people that believe this that it isn't true (or is irrelevant)?

abdulhaq 1y ago
even if it was true, and the charities say it is not, would that make it OK to starve the people of Gaza?
- _DeadFred_ 1y ago
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  - abdulhaq 1y ago
    Ethnic cleansing is deeply wrong, starvation as a tactic of war is horribly wrong, we all know what's happening, please have some respect for peoples' intelligence.
    - nostrebored 1y ago
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      - abdulhaq 1y ago
        Fortunately the world has woken up and the coming generation sees the truth.
      - etchalon 1y ago
        Palestinian children are not paragliding in and murdering people. Even if they could, they're too malnourished to do so.
        dotancohen 1y ago
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      - potatototoo99 1y ago
        All the more reason they shouldn't support doing it to others, and yet many do. And population growth looks the same everywhere in the world: the poorer the country, with less access to health care, less job security, independence and opportunities for women, the higher the birth rate.
    - mielioort 1y ago
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    - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
      Ethnic cleansing is deeply wrong. Starvation as a tactic of war is horrible and evil. But it doesn't sound like people here do know what is happening. The CNN article gives the low calorie consumption amount as 1400. 1400 was a specific time/event and the worst case CNN listed. The US, in post war Germany, doing it 'the right way' according to history, targeted (so many received lower) 1500 calories a day. Or 1000 a day when airdropped. According to the CNN article, Israel's action during an ongoing conflict is about par with how the US did it for years in post war Germany. And remember Germany is much larger than Gaza, so people had much larger distances to cover. Those that couldn't be reached received airlifts that only targeted 1000 calories per day. War sucks. It sucks that the government of Gaza chose to start a war. What we are seeing is the impacts of that. And it is awful. But it's also in line with the conditions in post WW2 Germany, arguable one of the best historical treatments of an aggressor by victors over it. Germany isn't referred to as a starvation, but as a successful reconstruction. It is the 'norm' to which people speak when they speak of how to treat an aggressor population when they lose to victors. It is the literal 'norm' that people are calling for in Gaza. I only looked into it because people here were pointing to it as how Israel should be acting in Gaza on last weeks Gaza story. And I was surprised to find that Israel is acting within that established norm that people here were calling for just last week (until I looked up what the norm/numbers were and brought those facts into the discussion).
      - yibg 1y ago
        I'm not sure why this is important to the discussion. The important question is: are people in Gaza starving or not? If they are, I couldn't care less what we did during WW2. Secondarily, just because there was a guideline during WW2 that was deemed "the right way", it's the result that counts. Were people starving in Germany post WW2? If so that was wrong then too.
        hdlothia 1y ago
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        _DeadFred_ 1y ago
        The Red Cross sets a floor of 1500 calories within the USA, lower than the floor Israel sets for Gaza. Does the Red Cross starve American's/use food as a weapon? https://emergency.lacity.gov/sites/g/files/wph1791/files/2022-09/Mass%20Care%20Feeding%20Appendix%20%282020%29.pdf https://emergency.lacity.gov/sites/g/files/wph1791/files/202... The UN itself has cut food distribution/caloric intake in Kenya (in need in huge part because of war refugees from Sudan) in half, is the UN using food as a weapon? The UN is saying it wants to provide aid at a much higher level to the people of Gaza than it provides to the people in Kenya.
  - hebelehubele 1y ago
    Distribution points are hours of walking away from the majority of Gazans. Then you have armed forces shooting people seeking food. From the article: https://imgur.com/a/rqW5m3w https://imgur.com/a/rqW5m3w
    - nielsbot 1y ago
      And the GHF isn't even a real aid distribution NGO. Those exist! They're experts at this. Let them in.
  - DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
    The Allied occupying powers tried as hard as they could to get food into Germany. Israel is intentionally blocking food from getting onto Gaza. There's a massive difference. > War sucks. That's an awfully glib way of justifying deliberately starving a civilian population. Saying "war sucks" doesn't make it okay to commit war crimes.
    - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
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      - potatototoo99 1y ago
        The allies' crimes were 80 years ago. Israel's crimes are ongoing.
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      - yibg 1y ago
        I don't quite understand why you keep pointing to post WW2 as a justification. For 1 we should be looking at results and the situation on the ground, not the guidelines for what's "the proper way to do things". Were people in Germany starving or not, are people in Gaza starving or not? If the answer to either is yes, then it is / was a problem. Secondly, what we consider ok changes over time. Go back far enough and killing prisoners, taking civilians as slaves etc were all considered ok. We frown on those now.
        _DeadFred_ 1y ago
        The Gaza thread on HN last week was talking about how Israel needed to fit to norms. That Israel needed to be like the US in Germany. Which is what got me looking into numbers. I think it's relevant as the Allies in Germany are where the current norms come from. The Red Cross considers 1500 the floor for the US: https://emergency.lacity.gov/sites/g/files/wph1791/files/2022-09/Mass%20Care%20Feeding%20Appendix%20%282020%29.pdf https://emergency.lacity.gov/sites/g/files/wph1791/files/202... not that much to the minimal amount of 1400 the CNN article found occurring. Horrible I agree, but not that far off from the Red Cross floor for aid distribution with the USA. The UN provides much less calories (currently 552 to refugees from Sudan's war) yet says it can provide more than Israel in aid Gaza. Is the UN anti Sudanese/Kenyans because it claims to have food for 2 million on hand yet won't feed the starving 800,000 in Kenya? If it has food for Gaza's 2 million that is isn't giving out, how can it justify not giving at least part of that to the smaller 800,000 war refugees in Kenya? The UN itself says it's a crime not to give out food in those higher quantities if there are stocks of it. The UN has stocks. The UN does not give those stocks out to those in need, only giving 552 calories.
  - quantified 1y ago
    If that's true, they are doing their best to ensure it's not working. Maybe Israel should airlift it over populated areas.
    - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
      The USA only target 1000 calories per day for airlifted populations in post war Germany. The CNN article lists 1400 as the low calories intake. So Gaza is still 400 calories a day above 'doing it the right way' post war German reconstruction numbers for hard to reach areas. According to the article 1400 calories are the number people are actually consuming, not unavailable to them. It is in the CNN article all this discussion is about.
      - quantified 1y ago
        Those are just published numbers. Doesn't matter if they're placed where they can't be gotten.
  - yibg 1y ago
    1. The "war" did not start on Oct 7. 2. Even if a country's government starts a war, that doesn't not justify war crimes. This is why they're called war crimes. 3. Pointing to what allies did 70+ years ago doesn't mean anything.
    - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
      The source of the food scarcity being discussed started on Oct 7th though when the government of Gaza chose to kill over 1000 people, maim/injure/torture/rape thousands more, and kidnap many (including the approx. 6 year old girl they posted videos on the internet of themselves kidnapping from her house, they were so proud they posted video of kidnapping a little girl from her home). That all happened starting Oct 7th.
ndiddy 1y ago
If that was true, wouldn’t the best course of action be to let as much aid as possible into Gaza to flood the market rather than restricting the flow (therefore increasing prices) like Israel has been doing?
- tguvot 1y ago
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- tails4e 1y ago
  Exactly. The solutions can be as simple as this. Israel has the power to fix this, they choose to do the opposite
magicalhippo 1y ago
> stolen by Hamas And/or the Israel-backed ISIS groups[1][2]. [1]: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sytu2q1mel https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sytu2q1mel [2]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-arming-gangs-gaza-clans-activated/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-armi...
- deleted 1y ago
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- viccis 1y ago
  Hamas actually cleaned house of a couple of the leaders of these gangs recently.
monocasa 1y ago
Would reporting from the NYT citing Israeli military officials saying that this didn't happen on any notable scale help convince people? No Proof Hamas Routinely Stole U.N. Aid, Israeli Military Officials Say https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un-aid-theft.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un...
- dlubarov 1y ago
  The UN's own data (https://app.un2720.org/tracking https://app.un2720.org/tracking) shows 86,531 pallets were intercepted, while only 26,772 pallets arrived at their intended destination. We don't know many of the interceptions Hamas was behind, but that isn't really important.
  - monocasa 1y ago
    > We don't know much many of the interceptions Hamas was behind, but that isn't really important. Sure it is when Israel is funding other groups that are known for stealing aid. It changes the entire narrative. Israel backs an anti-Hamas armed group known for looting aid in Gaza. Here’s what we know https://apnews.com/article/gaza-armed-groups-hamas-israel-looting-b3033fd46a25a6382c8e13d3b4ae7f42 https://apnews.com/article/gaza-armed-groups-hamas-israel-lo...
  - timeon 1y ago
    Is 0 better than 26,772 pallets?
    - dlubarov 1y ago
      Who is suggesting making it 0?
      - goatsi 1y ago
        The Israeli government in March of this year. And it wasn't a suggestion, it was an implemented policy. https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/02/middleeast/israel-halts-gaza-humanitarian-aid-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/02/middleeast/israel-halts-gaza-...
alwa 1y ago
In conditions of desperation, aren’t the strong people with the guns always the last to starve?
barbazoo 1y ago
It is irrelevant. Israel shouldn't block other countries from sending whatever aid, obviously making sure there's no arms.
- YZF 1y ago
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  - nielsbot 1y ago
    > For example it allowed the US to build a pier for food delivery "allowed" The pier was never going to work. Israel should just allow aid in via the normal ways. Notice that Israel controls all the borders of Gaza and they're the ones preventing food from coming in. Not to mention destroying all the farmland in Gaza too.
    - Qem 1y ago
      > Not to mention destroying all the farmland in Gaza too. There's a report by forensic-architecture on that: https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/ecocide-in-gaza https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/ecocide-in-g...
      - nielsbot 1y ago
        Thank you.
  - viccis 1y ago
    >it allowed the US to build a pier for food delivery You mean the one that Israel was caught on camera using to help carry out a raid (the Nuseirat refugee camp massacre) that killed 276 civilians and injured over 600? And then promptly disintegrated after spending only 20 days distributing 1/5 of the aid actually needed? How magnanimous of them. Why don't we send them another billion off our paychecks to fund their free healthcare to thank them?
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justin66 1y ago
> How do you convince people that believe this that it isn't true It's not like the Gazans have any money to speak of. > (or is irrelevant)? If the way to prevent starvation is to flood the zone with food shipments, it's a moral imperative to do that. That it will also help keep the enemy fed is entirely beside the point, since causing starvation is not a legal or ethical form of warfare.
- Ray20 1y ago
  > It's not like the Gazans have any money to speak of. This is more of an argument in favor of the other side. It immediately becomes clear why they don't have the money.
  - monocasa 1y ago
    20 years of economic warfare where all exports were banned as a mechanism for destroying their economy being a primary reason. https://web.archive.org/web/20100612001046/http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/09/95621/israeli-document-gaza-blockade.html https://web.archive.org/web/20100612001046/http://www.mcclat...
    - tguvot 1y ago
      un data showing hundreds of trucks exporting goods from gaza every month: https://www.ochaopt.org/data/crossings https://www.ochaopt.org/data/crossings
jacobgorm 1y ago
See this Tucker Carlson interview with a former US special forces colonel who worked distributing aid in Gaza https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QRjEMbHXM4Q https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QRjEMbHXM4Q
- tguvot 1y ago
  the one that was fired for misconduct, begged to get his job back and threatened that he will become their nightmare in case they don't rehire him ? sounds very reliable. https://ghf.org/press-briefing-ghf-addresses-personnel-matter/ https://ghf.org/press-briefing-ghf-addresses-personnel-matte...
  - jacobgorm 1y ago
    GHF trying to wreck his reputation seems like a textbook move.
    - tguvot 1y ago
      so they fabricated all his email/messaging exchanges, etc but everything that he says is completely credible ? right ?
  - PoignardAzur 1y ago
    That's what the GHF claims, yes. To be clear, they haven't shown any documentation showing that he was fired, while Aguilar did show letters and messages sent by GHF hailing him as a great colleague and saying they were sad to see him go. The only material evidence GHF has shown are small chunks of SMS conversations that are perfectly compatible with the "Aguilar was trying to convince GHF leadership to change policies" hypothesis, and WhatsApp broadcast of Aguilar telling his staff they were doing a great job. Meanwhile, Aguilar has multiple photos and videos showing the conditions aid was distributed in which you can see right now on Youtube, testimony of seeing the GHF security contractors firing into crowds (to which the GHF replied by saying its contractors only fired above crowds, still a Geneva Convention violation), statistics that showed that people got shot during every single GHF distribution, matching testimony from Palestinian doctors and journalists and IDF whistleblowers, etc. The evidence is overwhelming unless your curiosity cuts off as soon as you read the GHF damage control statements.
zippothrowaway 1y ago
What's the best way of reducing this markup if it were true? Not sending in aid (no supply = lots of demand) or flooding the area with aid? Seems to me, if the claim is true, Israel is trying to give Hamas more power, not less.
- kneelesh48 1y ago
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Humorist2290 1y ago
Then Israel severely limiting the amount of food is helping Hamas by artificially, and cruelly, limiting supply. People want to feed their families and will go to great lengths: sell their valuables, harm others, or wait in line at a Gaza Health Ministry site with the knowledge the IDF might fire into the crowd. If they flooded Gaza with food then Hamas would benefit less from the supposed stealing/reselling.
emmelaich 1y ago
How could it be irrelevant?

abdulhaq 1y ago

even if it was true, and the charities say it is not, would that make it OK to starve the people of Gaza?

_DeadFred_ 1y ago
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- abdulhaq 1y ago
  Ethnic cleansing is deeply wrong, starvation as a tactic of war is horribly wrong, we all know what's happening, please have some respect for peoples' intelligence.
  - nostrebored 1y ago
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    - abdulhaq 1y ago
      Fortunately the world has woken up and the coming generation sees the truth.
    - etchalon 1y ago
      Palestinian children are not paragliding in and murdering people. Even if they could, they're too malnourished to do so.
      - dotancohen 1y ago
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    - potatototoo99 1y ago
      All the more reason they shouldn't support doing it to others, and yet many do. And population growth looks the same everywhere in the world: the poorer the country, with less access to health care, less job security, independence and opportunities for women, the higher the birth rate.
  - mielioort 1y ago
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  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
    Ethnic cleansing is deeply wrong. Starvation as a tactic of war is horrible and evil. But it doesn't sound like people here do know what is happening. The CNN article gives the low calorie consumption amount as 1400. 1400 was a specific time/event and the worst case CNN listed. The US, in post war Germany, doing it 'the right way' according to history, targeted (so many received lower) 1500 calories a day. Or 1000 a day when airdropped. According to the CNN article, Israel's action during an ongoing conflict is about par with how the US did it for years in post war Germany. And remember Germany is much larger than Gaza, so people had much larger distances to cover. Those that couldn't be reached received airlifts that only targeted 1000 calories per day. War sucks. It sucks that the government of Gaza chose to start a war. What we are seeing is the impacts of that. And it is awful. But it's also in line with the conditions in post WW2 Germany, arguable one of the best historical treatments of an aggressor by victors over it. Germany isn't referred to as a starvation, but as a successful reconstruction. It is the 'norm' to which people speak when they speak of how to treat an aggressor population when they lose to victors. It is the literal 'norm' that people are calling for in Gaza. I only looked into it because people here were pointing to it as how Israel should be acting in Gaza on last weeks Gaza story. And I was surprised to find that Israel is acting within that established norm that people here were calling for just last week (until I looked up what the norm/numbers were and brought those facts into the discussion).
    - yibg 1y ago
      I'm not sure why this is important to the discussion. The important question is: are people in Gaza starving or not? If they are, I couldn't care less what we did during WW2. Secondarily, just because there was a guideline during WW2 that was deemed "the right way", it's the result that counts. Were people starving in Germany post WW2? If so that was wrong then too.
      - hdlothia 1y ago
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      - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
        The Red Cross sets a floor of 1500 calories within the USA, lower than the floor Israel sets for Gaza. Does the Red Cross starve American's/use food as a weapon? https://emergency.lacity.gov/sites/g/files/wph1791/files/2022-09/Mass%20Care%20Feeding%20Appendix%20%282020%29.pdf https://emergency.lacity.gov/sites/g/files/wph1791/files/202... The UN itself has cut food distribution/caloric intake in Kenya (in need in huge part because of war refugees from Sudan) in half, is the UN using food as a weapon? The UN is saying it wants to provide aid at a much higher level to the people of Gaza than it provides to the people in Kenya.
- hebelehubele 1y ago
  Distribution points are hours of walking away from the majority of Gazans. Then you have armed forces shooting people seeking food. From the article: https://imgur.com/a/rqW5m3w https://imgur.com/a/rqW5m3w
  - nielsbot 1y ago
    And the GHF isn't even a real aid distribution NGO. Those exist! They're experts at this. Let them in.
- DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
  The Allied occupying powers tried as hard as they could to get food into Germany. Israel is intentionally blocking food from getting onto Gaza. There's a massive difference. > War sucks. That's an awfully glib way of justifying deliberately starving a civilian population. Saying "war sucks" doesn't make it okay to commit war crimes.
  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
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    - potatototoo99 1y ago
      The allies' crimes were 80 years ago. Israel's crimes are ongoing.
      - deleted 1y ago
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    - yibg 1y ago
      I don't quite understand why you keep pointing to post WW2 as a justification. For 1 we should be looking at results and the situation on the ground, not the guidelines for what's "the proper way to do things". Were people in Germany starving or not, are people in Gaza starving or not? If the answer to either is yes, then it is / was a problem. Secondly, what we consider ok changes over time. Go back far enough and killing prisoners, taking civilians as slaves etc were all considered ok. We frown on those now.
      - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
        The Gaza thread on HN last week was talking about how Israel needed to fit to norms. That Israel needed to be like the US in Germany. Which is what got me looking into numbers. I think it's relevant as the Allies in Germany are where the current norms come from. The Red Cross considers 1500 the floor for the US: https://emergency.lacity.gov/sites/g/files/wph1791/files/2022-09/Mass%20Care%20Feeding%20Appendix%20%282020%29.pdf https://emergency.lacity.gov/sites/g/files/wph1791/files/202... not that much to the minimal amount of 1400 the CNN article found occurring. Horrible I agree, but not that far off from the Red Cross floor for aid distribution with the USA. The UN provides much less calories (currently 552 to refugees from Sudan's war) yet says it can provide more than Israel in aid Gaza. Is the UN anti Sudanese/Kenyans because it claims to have food for 2 million on hand yet won't feed the starving 800,000 in Kenya? If it has food for Gaza's 2 million that is isn't giving out, how can it justify not giving at least part of that to the smaller 800,000 war refugees in Kenya? The UN itself says it's a crime not to give out food in those higher quantities if there are stocks of it. The UN has stocks. The UN does not give those stocks out to those in need, only giving 552 calories.
- quantified 1y ago
  If that's true, they are doing their best to ensure it's not working. Maybe Israel should airlift it over populated areas.
  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
    The USA only target 1000 calories per day for airlifted populations in post war Germany. The CNN article lists 1400 as the low calories intake. So Gaza is still 400 calories a day above 'doing it the right way' post war German reconstruction numbers for hard to reach areas. According to the article 1400 calories are the number people are actually consuming, not unavailable to them. It is in the CNN article all this discussion is about.
    - quantified 1y ago
      Those are just published numbers. Doesn't matter if they're placed where they can't be gotten.
- yibg 1y ago
  1. The "war" did not start on Oct 7. 2. Even if a country's government starts a war, that doesn't not justify war crimes. This is why they're called war crimes. 3. Pointing to what allies did 70+ years ago doesn't mean anything.
  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
    The source of the food scarcity being discussed started on Oct 7th though when the government of Gaza chose to kill over 1000 people, maim/injure/torture/rape thousands more, and kidnap many (including the approx. 6 year old girl they posted videos on the internet of themselves kidnapping from her house, they were so proud they posted video of kidnapping a little girl from her home). That all happened starting Oct 7th.

ndiddy 1y ago

If that was true, wouldn’t the best course of action be to let as much aid as possible into Gaza to flood the market rather than restricting the flow (therefore increasing prices) like Israel has been doing?

tguvot 1y ago
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tails4e 1y ago
Exactly. The solutions can be as simple as this. Israel has the power to fix this, they choose to do the opposite

magicalhippo 1y ago

> stolen by Hamas And/or the Israel-backed ISIS groups[1][2]. [1]: https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sytu2q1mel https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sytu2q1mel [2]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-arming-gangs-gaza-clans-activated/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-armi...

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viccis 1y ago
Hamas actually cleaned house of a couple of the leaders of these gangs recently.

monocasa 1y ago

Would reporting from the NYT citing Israeli military officials saying that this didn't happen on any notable scale help convince people? No Proof Hamas Routinely Stole U.N. Aid, Israeli Military Officials Say https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un-aid-theft.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/26/world/middleeast/hamas-un...

dlubarov 1y ago
The UN's own data (https://app.un2720.org/tracking https://app.un2720.org/tracking) shows 86,531 pallets were intercepted, while only 26,772 pallets arrived at their intended destination. We don't know many of the interceptions Hamas was behind, but that isn't really important.
- monocasa 1y ago
  > We don't know much many of the interceptions Hamas was behind, but that isn't really important. Sure it is when Israel is funding other groups that are known for stealing aid. It changes the entire narrative. Israel backs an anti-Hamas armed group known for looting aid in Gaza. Here’s what we know https://apnews.com/article/gaza-armed-groups-hamas-israel-looting-b3033fd46a25a6382c8e13d3b4ae7f42 https://apnews.com/article/gaza-armed-groups-hamas-israel-lo...
- timeon 1y ago
  Is 0 better than 26,772 pallets?
  - dlubarov 1y ago
    Who is suggesting making it 0?
    - goatsi 1y ago
      The Israeli government in March of this year. And it wasn't a suggestion, it was an implemented policy. https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/02/middleeast/israel-halts-gaza-humanitarian-aid-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/02/middleeast/israel-halts-gaza-...

alwa 1y ago

In conditions of desperation, aren’t the strong people with the guns always the last to starve?

barbazoo 1y ago

It is irrelevant. Israel shouldn't block other countries from sending whatever aid, obviously making sure there's no arms.

YZF 1y ago
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- nielsbot 1y ago
  > For example it allowed the US to build a pier for food delivery "allowed" The pier was never going to work. Israel should just allow aid in via the normal ways. Notice that Israel controls all the borders of Gaza and they're the ones preventing food from coming in. Not to mention destroying all the farmland in Gaza too.
  - Qem 1y ago
    > Not to mention destroying all the farmland in Gaza too. There's a report by forensic-architecture on that: https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/ecocide-in-gaza https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/ecocide-in-g...
    - nielsbot 1y ago
      Thank you.
- viccis 1y ago
  >it allowed the US to build a pier for food delivery You mean the one that Israel was caught on camera using to help carry out a raid (the Nuseirat refugee camp massacre) that killed 276 civilians and injured over 600? And then promptly disintegrated after spending only 20 days distributing 1/5 of the aid actually needed? How magnanimous of them. Why don't we send them another billion off our paychecks to fund their free healthcare to thank them?
  - 1y ago

justin66 1y ago

> How do you convince people that believe this that it isn't true It's not like the Gazans have any money to speak of. > (or is irrelevant)? If the way to prevent starvation is to flood the zone with food shipments, it's a moral imperative to do that. That it will also help keep the enemy fed is entirely beside the point, since causing starvation is not a legal or ethical form of warfare.

Ray20 1y ago
> It's not like the Gazans have any money to speak of. This is more of an argument in favor of the other side. It immediately becomes clear why they don't have the money.
- monocasa 1y ago
  20 years of economic warfare where all exports were banned as a mechanism for destroying their economy being a primary reason. https://web.archive.org/web/20100612001046/http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/09/95621/israeli-document-gaza-blockade.html https://web.archive.org/web/20100612001046/http://www.mcclat...
  - tguvot 1y ago
    un data showing hundreds of trucks exporting goods from gaza every month: https://www.ochaopt.org/data/crossings https://www.ochaopt.org/data/crossings

jacobgorm 1y ago

See this Tucker Carlson interview with a former US special forces colonel who worked distributing aid in Gaza https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QRjEMbHXM4Q https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QRjEMbHXM4Q

tguvot 1y ago
the one that was fired for misconduct, begged to get his job back and threatened that he will become their nightmare in case they don't rehire him ? sounds very reliable. https://ghf.org/press-briefing-ghf-addresses-personnel-matter/ https://ghf.org/press-briefing-ghf-addresses-personnel-matte...
- jacobgorm 1y ago
  GHF trying to wreck his reputation seems like a textbook move.
  - tguvot 1y ago
    so they fabricated all his email/messaging exchanges, etc but everything that he says is completely credible ? right ?
- PoignardAzur 1y ago
  That's what the GHF claims, yes. To be clear, they haven't shown any documentation showing that he was fired, while Aguilar did show letters and messages sent by GHF hailing him as a great colleague and saying they were sad to see him go. The only material evidence GHF has shown are small chunks of SMS conversations that are perfectly compatible with the "Aguilar was trying to convince GHF leadership to change policies" hypothesis, and WhatsApp broadcast of Aguilar telling his staff they were doing a great job. Meanwhile, Aguilar has multiple photos and videos showing the conditions aid was distributed in which you can see right now on Youtube, testimony of seeing the GHF security contractors firing into crowds (to which the GHF replied by saying its contractors only fired above crowds, still a Geneva Convention violation), statistics that showed that people got shot during every single GHF distribution, matching testimony from Palestinian doctors and journalists and IDF whistleblowers, etc. The evidence is overwhelming unless your curiosity cuts off as soon as you read the GHF damage control statements.

zippothrowaway 1y ago

What's the best way of reducing this markup if it were true? Not sending in aid (no supply = lots of demand) or flooding the area with aid? Seems to me, if the claim is true, Israel is trying to give Hamas more power, not less.

kneelesh48 1y ago
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Humorist2290 1y ago

Then Israel severely limiting the amount of food is helping Hamas by artificially, and cruelly, limiting supply. People want to feed their families and will go to great lengths: sell their valuables, harm others, or wait in line at a Gaza Health Ministry site with the knowledge the IDF might fire into the crowd. If they flooded Gaza with food then Hamas would benefit less from the supposed stealing/reselling.

emmelaich 1y ago

How could it be irrelevant?