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There is simply no excuse for blocking the entry of food into a region wholesale. For that alone they should, at the very least, be an outcast in the internatio

by rubzah 1y ago

There is simply no excuse for blocking the entry of food into a region wholesale. For that alone they should, at the very least, be an outcast in the international community. But here we are.

dfxm12 1y ago
That they have the backing and blessing of the US government is the counter-argument to this. The US can almost unilaterally end this war if they want to.
- JohnFen 1y ago
  How is that a counter-argument?
  - dfxm12 1y ago
    US has a lot of both soft and hard power globally. If you don't treat their puppet state with deference (and do treat it as an outcast), you can face consequences. The current US admin is using this as a stick against its own citizens, even.
    - JohnFen 1y ago
      OK, but I still don't see how that's a counterargument to the proposition that "There is simply no excuse for blocking the entry of food into a region wholesale."
      - dfxm12 1y ago
        Oh, I reacted to GP's entire comment, not just the first sentence.
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- mhb 1y ago
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- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > US can almost unilaterally end this war if they want to Almost but not quite.
- bdangubic 1y ago
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  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Israel fully controls USA (especially this administration) This is the political equivalent of Flat Eartherism. The 'Earth is a perfect sphere' take would be that there are significant numbers of Americans for whom Israel is a single-issue item, and significantly more for whom it's a top three. These voters can swing elections in Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia and possibly Michigan, and so are given a lot of deference by the Congress and President.
    - bdangubic 1y ago
      yea, lets go with that, definitely we are involved in a genocide because of 7 voters in arizona. additionally, neither party’s candidate can dare be “anti” israel so this is an election issue as much as … don’t even have a witty comparison for this :)
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > neither party’s candidate can dare be “anti” israel Plenty do. They lost their primaries because most Americans don't want to be lectured on foreign policy while their grocery bills are going up. Most Americans won't rank any foreign policy as a top-10 issue. Out of those that do, until very recently, most of them were passionately anti-China or Russia, pro-Israel or anti-Cuba. So those become electorally-salient divides. You're now seeing, in Democratic politics, the winds sort of change. Hence less explicit pro-Israeli rhetoric from some electeds. But that still doesn't mean the median American voter cares about a war in Gaza more than they do their personal finances.
dataflow 1y ago
The claim I've heard them make is that the food aid is making it in, but being stolen by Hamas so that it can be resold at markup. How do you convince people that believe this that it isn't true (or is irrelevant)?
- abdulhaq 1y ago
  even if it was true, and the charities say it is not, would that make it OK to starve the people of Gaza?
  - _DeadFred_ 1y ago
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    - abdulhaq 1y ago
      Ethnic cleansing is deeply wrong, starvation as a tactic of war is horribly wrong, we all know what's happening, please have some respect for peoples' intelligence.
      - nostrebored 1y ago
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        abdulhaq 1y ago
        Fortunately the world has woken up and the coming generation sees the truth.
        etchalon 1y ago
        Palestinian children are not paragliding in and murdering people. Even if they could, they're too malnourished to do so.
        dotancohen 1y ago
Veserv 1y ago
Honest question, why can it not just go through the 14 km border with Egypt? Is Egypt also blocking access for food and aid?
- arnsholt 1y ago
  Because the Rafah crossing is currently controlled by the Israeli army. Egypt can allow all the aid it wants, it’ll still get stopped by the Israelis.
  - monocasa 1y ago
    And even before then, Egypt's peace with Israel (and Egypt's subsequent ~$1B/yr in defense aid from the US) depends on playing nice with Israel in several respects, including deferring to Israeli policy on the Gaza border.
    - FridayoLeary 1y ago
      Not that it's ever prevented smuggling. Curious where all of hamas weapons are coming from.
      - monocasa 1y ago
        There has been smuggling of course, but (perhaps unintentionally) Israel gives them most of what they use. > But recent intelligence has shown the extent to which Hamas has been able to build many of its rockets and anti-tank weaponry out of the thousands of munitions that failed to detonate when Israel lobbed them into Gaza, according to weapons experts and Israeli and Western intelligence officials. Hamas is also arming its fighters with weapons stolen from Israeli military bases. > “Unexploded ordnance is a main source of explosives for Hamas,” said Michael Cardash, the former deputy head of the Israeli National Police Bomb Disposal Division and an Israeli police consultant. “They are cutting open bombs from Israel, artillery bombs from Israel, and a lot of them are being used, of course, and repurposed for their explosives and rockets.” https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-weapons-rockets.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-h...
MagicMoonlight 1y ago
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- lupusreal 1y ago
  Do zionists really view the Palestinians as the party which is the most analogous to the Nazis in this situation? Fucking wild.
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- layer8 1y ago
  Anyone who characterizes a whole population as “evil” (including around a million children) automatically disqualifies themselves.
xdennis 1y ago
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- viccis 1y ago
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  - xdennis 1y ago
    > killing a ton of their own people on Oct 7 This is how ridiculous things have gotten. HN has quite civilized discussions, and even here people are blaming Jews for Oct 7 and getting upvoted for it. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few more decades there will be another Holocaust in the West.
    - viccis 1y ago
      They are literally on camera killing their "people", and they buried a ton of evidence to hide it. They also have documented execution of Hannibal Directive. This is all objectively documented. You don't have to launch into nebbish histrionics about literal facts.
buyucu 1y ago
And this didn't start in 2023. Gaza has been under Israeli blockade for decades.
- mupuff1234 1y ago
  The level of blockade now is on a whole other level. Not to mention that the blockade was enforced by Egypt as well.
- jameshilliard 1y ago
  > And this didn't start in 2023. Gaza has been under Israeli blockade for decades. The blockade was also imposed by Egypt[0] and Hamas certainly provided no shortage of security related justifications for the blockade. Unfortunately those security concerns turned out to be accurate[1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks
  - lejalv 1y ago
    Unfortunately Netanyahu actively encouraged Qatar to send cash to Hamas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas > In February 2020, former Mossad Director Yossi Cohen and Israeli general Herzi Halevi, under Netanyahu's orders, went to Qatar to plead Qatari officials to continue the payments for Hamas.[8] Later, in September 2023, David Barnea, the Director of Mossad since 2021, went to Qatar to meet Qatari officials to discuss about the payments for Hamas.[10][44] (...) > Israeli intelligence officials believe that the money had a role in the success of 2023 Hamas-led attack.[10]
    - jameshilliard 1y ago
      > Unfortunately Netanyahu actively encouraged Qatar to send cash to Hamas. Yeah, Benjamin Netanyahu certainly got complacent thinking he could keep a genocidal terrorist group like Hamas under control with that strategy. Qatar and their support for terrorists has long been a problem as well.
mielioort 1y ago
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by rubzah 1y ago

There is simply no excuse for blocking the entry of food into a region wholesale. For that alone they should, at the very least, be an outcast in the international community. But here we are.

dfxm12 1y ago

That they have the backing and blessing of the US government is the counter-argument to this. The US can almost unilaterally end this war if they want to.

JohnFen 1y ago
How is that a counter-argument?
- dfxm12 1y ago
  US has a lot of both soft and hard power globally. If you don't treat their puppet state with deference (and do treat it as an outcast), you can face consequences. The current US admin is using this as a stick against its own citizens, even.
  - JohnFen 1y ago
    OK, but I still don't see how that's a counterargument to the proposition that "There is simply no excuse for blocking the entry of food into a region wholesale."
    - dfxm12 1y ago
      Oh, I reacted to GP's entire comment, not just the first sentence.
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mhb 1y ago
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JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> US can almost unilaterally end this war if they want to Almost but not quite.
bdangubic 1y ago
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- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Israel fully controls USA (especially this administration) This is the political equivalent of Flat Eartherism. The 'Earth is a perfect sphere' take would be that there are significant numbers of Americans for whom Israel is a single-issue item, and significantly more for whom it's a top three. These voters can swing elections in Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia and possibly Michigan, and so are given a lot of deference by the Congress and President.
  - bdangubic 1y ago
    yea, lets go with that, definitely we are involved in a genocide because of 7 voters in arizona. additionally, neither party’s candidate can dare be “anti” israel so this is an election issue as much as … don’t even have a witty comparison for this :)
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > neither party’s candidate can dare be “anti” israel Plenty do. They lost their primaries because most Americans don't want to be lectured on foreign policy while their grocery bills are going up. Most Americans won't rank any foreign policy as a top-10 issue. Out of those that do, until very recently, most of them were passionately anti-China or Russia, pro-Israel or anti-Cuba. So those become electorally-salient divides. You're now seeing, in Democratic politics, the winds sort of change. Hence less explicit pro-Israeli rhetoric from some electeds. But that still doesn't mean the median American voter cares about a war in Gaza more than they do their personal finances.

dataflow 1y ago

The claim I've heard them make is that the food aid is making it in, but being stolen by Hamas so that it can be resold at markup. How do you convince people that believe this that it isn't true (or is irrelevant)?

abdulhaq 1y ago
even if it was true, and the charities say it is not, would that make it OK to starve the people of Gaza?
- _DeadFred_ 1y ago
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  - abdulhaq 1y ago
    Ethnic cleansing is deeply wrong, starvation as a tactic of war is horribly wrong, we all know what's happening, please have some respect for peoples' intelligence.
    - nostrebored 1y ago
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      - abdulhaq 1y ago
        Fortunately the world has woken up and the coming generation sees the truth.
      - etchalon 1y ago
        Palestinian children are not paragliding in and murdering people. Even if they could, they're too malnourished to do so.
        dotancohen 1y ago

Veserv 1y ago

Honest question, why can it not just go through the 14 km border with Egypt? Is Egypt also blocking access for food and aid?

arnsholt 1y ago
Because the Rafah crossing is currently controlled by the Israeli army. Egypt can allow all the aid it wants, it’ll still get stopped by the Israelis.
- monocasa 1y ago
  And even before then, Egypt's peace with Israel (and Egypt's subsequent ~$1B/yr in defense aid from the US) depends on playing nice with Israel in several respects, including deferring to Israeli policy on the Gaza border.
  - FridayoLeary 1y ago
    Not that it's ever prevented smuggling. Curious where all of hamas weapons are coming from.
    - monocasa 1y ago
      There has been smuggling of course, but (perhaps unintentionally) Israel gives them most of what they use. > But recent intelligence has shown the extent to which Hamas has been able to build many of its rockets and anti-tank weaponry out of the thousands of munitions that failed to detonate when Israel lobbed them into Gaza, according to weapons experts and Israeli and Western intelligence officials. Hamas is also arming its fighters with weapons stolen from Israeli military bases. > “Unexploded ordnance is a main source of explosives for Hamas,” said Michael Cardash, the former deputy head of the Israeli National Police Bomb Disposal Division and an Israeli police consultant. “They are cutting open bombs from Israel, artillery bombs from Israel, and a lot of them are being used, of course, and repurposed for their explosives and rockets.” https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-weapons-rockets.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/world/middleeast/israel-h...

MagicMoonlight 1y ago

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lupusreal 1y ago
Do zionists really view the Palestinians as the party which is the most analogous to the Nazis in this situation? Fucking wild.
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layer8 1y ago
Anyone who characterizes a whole population as “evil” (including around a million children) automatically disqualifies themselves.

xdennis 1y ago

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viccis 1y ago
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- xdennis 1y ago
  > killing a ton of their own people on Oct 7 This is how ridiculous things have gotten. HN has quite civilized discussions, and even here people are blaming Jews for Oct 7 and getting upvoted for it. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few more decades there will be another Holocaust in the West.
  - viccis 1y ago
    They are literally on camera killing their "people", and they buried a ton of evidence to hide it. They also have documented execution of Hannibal Directive. This is all objectively documented. You don't have to launch into nebbish histrionics about literal facts.

buyucu 1y ago

And this didn't start in 2023. Gaza has been under Israeli blockade for decades.

mupuff1234 1y ago
The level of blockade now is on a whole other level. Not to mention that the blockade was enforced by Egypt as well.
jameshilliard 1y ago
> And this didn't start in 2023. Gaza has been under Israeli blockade for decades. The blockade was also imposed by Egypt[0] and Hamas certainly provided no shortage of security related justifications for the blockade. Unfortunately those security concerns turned out to be accurate[1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_7_attacks
- lejalv 1y ago
  Unfortunately Netanyahu actively encouraged Qatar to send cash to Hamas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas > In February 2020, former Mossad Director Yossi Cohen and Israeli general Herzi Halevi, under Netanyahu's orders, went to Qatar to plead Qatari officials to continue the payments for Hamas.[8] Later, in September 2023, David Barnea, the Director of Mossad since 2021, went to Qatar to meet Qatari officials to discuss about the payments for Hamas.[10][44] (...) > Israeli intelligence officials believe that the money had a role in the success of 2023 Hamas-led attack.[10]
  - jameshilliard 1y ago
    > Unfortunately Netanyahu actively encouraged Qatar to send cash to Hamas. Yeah, Benjamin Netanyahu certainly got complacent thinking he could keep a genocidal terrorist group like Hamas under control with that strategy. Qatar and their support for terrorists has long been a problem as well.

mielioort 1y ago

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