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Is that why electricity in EU is so expensive? https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cost-of-electricity-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.c

Is that why electricity in EU is so expensive? https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cost-of-electricity-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cost-of-e...

mrtksn 1y ago
Yes, its because it is still short of %100 renewables and EU is importing its fossil fuels. When Russia invaded Ukraine it caused a spike in prices, now its coming down. Prices will go down as renewables proliferate, probably we will pay some fixed amount as equipment maintenance fee once its %100.
- Gud 1y ago
  Our electricity was a lot cheaper when we had more nuclear. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that dismantling functional nuclear power plants, like they did in Germany and Sweden, has been detrimental for Europe. Now the same people who were opposing nuclear are saying we should pursue wind and solar. Give me a break.
  - mrtksn 1y ago
    It's just Germany that shut down a few reactors, their internal politics and has nothing to do with EU or people who want renewables due to climate, ecology or political reasons.
    - Gud 1y ago
      No, Sweden did the same mistake. We shut down ~50% of our reactors and are now paying high prices. Completely unnecessary.
      - mrtksn 1y ago
        Still domestic politics. You should resolve your grievances with these countries really, I have nothing else to say.
    - gred 1y ago
      Spain is on the same path: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energ%C3%ADa_nuclear_en_Espa%C3%B1a#Centrales https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energ%C3%ADa_nuclear_en_Espa%C...
lokimedes 1y ago
Only when it’s dark, overcast, winter or really cold. Otherwise it’s mainly due to the extreme overcapacity required to handle distributed unreliable energy sources as well as an increasing fleet of electric cars, stressing every last kilometer of the grid. And windmills, a reliance on methane gas as gap-filling and a few other issues. (Sorry, I know snarking is frowned upon on HN - but we choose this collective delusion over the hellish, yet stable, Cherenkov light of nuclear)
- ViewTrick1002 1y ago
  How will you make the electricity cheaper when nuclear power requires above 20 cents/kWh excluding transmission costs and everything else to get built in 2025? You also do know that said nuclear plants won't deliver a new kWh to the grid until the 2040s? What problem are you even solving?
  - Gud 1y ago
    Yes, large scale infrastructure projects takes time. 15 years is not really that long. I would rather we started rebuilding our energy infrastructure today than later…
victorbjorklund 1y ago
Probably more to do with taxes etc. Better would be to look at cost of production and not cost to consumer with taxes and fees. Then you arent comparing the production but rather different models of socity
- logicchains 1y ago
  It's not taxes; German electricity costs increased over 3x since pre-covid, and taxes certainly didn't go up that much.
  - goobatrooba 1y ago
    That's the reliance on gas turbines....
  - victorbjorklund 1y ago
    And you think that is due to too much solar power in germany?
- lossolo 1y ago
  https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:F8Share_of_taxes_and_levies_paid_by_nonhousehold_consumers_for_electricityS2_2024_V2.png https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Electricity_price_statistics https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...

Is that why electricity in EU is so expensive? https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cost-of-electricity-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cost-of-e...

mrtksn 1y ago

Yes, its because it is still short of %100 renewables and EU is importing its fossil fuels. When Russia invaded Ukraine it caused a spike in prices, now its coming down. Prices will go down as renewables proliferate, probably we will pay some fixed amount as equipment maintenance fee once its %100.

Gud 1y ago
Our electricity was a lot cheaper when we had more nuclear. It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that dismantling functional nuclear power plants, like they did in Germany and Sweden, has been detrimental for Europe. Now the same people who were opposing nuclear are saying we should pursue wind and solar. Give me a break.
- mrtksn 1y ago
  It's just Germany that shut down a few reactors, their internal politics and has nothing to do with EU or people who want renewables due to climate, ecology or political reasons.
  - Gud 1y ago
    No, Sweden did the same mistake. We shut down ~50% of our reactors and are now paying high prices. Completely unnecessary.
    - mrtksn 1y ago
      Still domestic politics. You should resolve your grievances with these countries really, I have nothing else to say.
  - gred 1y ago
    Spain is on the same path: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energ%C3%ADa_nuclear_en_Espa%C3%B1a#Centrales https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energ%C3%ADa_nuclear_en_Espa%C...

lokimedes 1y ago

Only when it’s dark, overcast, winter or really cold. Otherwise it’s mainly due to the extreme overcapacity required to handle distributed unreliable energy sources as well as an increasing fleet of electric cars, stressing every last kilometer of the grid. And windmills, a reliance on methane gas as gap-filling and a few other issues. (Sorry, I know snarking is frowned upon on HN - but we choose this collective delusion over the hellish, yet stable, Cherenkov light of nuclear)

ViewTrick1002 1y ago
How will you make the electricity cheaper when nuclear power requires above 20 cents/kWh excluding transmission costs and everything else to get built in 2025? You also do know that said nuclear plants won't deliver a new kWh to the grid until the 2040s? What problem are you even solving?
- Gud 1y ago
  Yes, large scale infrastructure projects takes time. 15 years is not really that long. I would rather we started rebuilding our energy infrastructure today than later…

victorbjorklund 1y ago

Probably more to do with taxes etc. Better would be to look at cost of production and not cost to consumer with taxes and fees. Then you arent comparing the production but rather different models of socity

logicchains 1y ago
It's not taxes; German electricity costs increased over 3x since pre-covid, and taxes certainly didn't go up that much.
- goobatrooba 1y ago
  That's the reliance on gas turbines....
- victorbjorklund 1y ago
  And you think that is due to too much solar power in germany?
lossolo 1y ago
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:F8Share_of_taxes_and_levies_paid_by_nonhousehold_consumers_for_electricityS2_2024_V2.png https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Electricity_price_statistics https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...