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Radicle: Peer-to-Peer Collaboration with Git (2024)

98 points by emreb 1y ago

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ChrisArchitect 1y ago
(2024) https://radicle.xyz/ https://radicle.xyz/ Some various discussions: Radicle 1.0 – A local-first, P2P alternative to GitHub https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41509713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41509713 Jujutsu and Radicle https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44900455 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44900455
gradientsrneat 1y ago
Issue tracking support is great. I hope they add web login (maybe through ActivityPub and/or OAuth), and a wiki tab. This would put it on par with Fossil, which is similarly decentralized but has a bespoke version control which makes rewriting history and other git workflows difficult.
- graemep 1y ago
  Fossil is primarily a DVCS, like git, but aimed at a different set of users (e.g. smaller projects) and includes decentralised tickets etc., but in practice it is easiest to have a centralised server. Its easy to run your own, but there is hosting available for Fossil: https://chiselapp.com/ https://chiselapp.com/ Redicale seems much more decentralised. Rather than making it easy to run your own server it eliminates the server altogether. A more radical approach :). it would probably be easier to build something like Radicale on top of Fossil because all that is missing is a way of finding to peers, and connecting to them without a server (e.g. from dynamic IPs, behind NAT etc.).
  - CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
    > Fossil is primarily a DVCS, like git, but aimed at a different set of users (e.g. smaller projects) Is it actually? I never got the impression SQLite was a smaller project, but I'd confess to not knowing much about how it is organized.
    - mburns 1y ago
      Small in terms of team size, not impact. SQLite is developed by 3 people. They don't accept outside contributions.
Bolwin 1y ago
Windows support yet? Ah well
- baobun 1y ago
  Windows is increasingly less of a viable platform for, well, anything. Time to pick a distro.
  - jayd16 1y ago
    I don't know what it is about git but it really brings out the "Nuh uh, your use-case is wrong" talking points.
  - pigeons 1y ago
    I think you can pick from most of them via wsl2.
- diggan 1y ago
  I think they're focusing on developers, most of which are either planning a move to something else, wishing they could move or have already left.
  - Bolwin 1y ago
    50% of devs use windows. Personally, what dev related motivation I had to move to Linux disappeared when wsl got decent. That said, 90% of my work is still in windows proper, so any universal tool like git related needs to support it to be any use. And if not me, anyone else you're collaborating with.
    - pessimizer 1y ago
      The motivation you had to move to Linux evaporated when you started regularly using Linux, and it's important to consider Windows developers, for whom it's now easy to use Linux without completely moving to Linux.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago
eternityforest 1y ago
This seems like one of the most interesting P2P projects out there. It seems like it could be a really nice backend sync engine for offline first apps, aside from the lack of official support for Android.
qudat 1y ago
Cool project, I’m always weary by projects that take so much dev time to build out, but I’ve been keeping my eye on this one. I’ve been thinking about git collaboration slightly differently from the rest of the code forges. I think git collaboration could be easier for a huge chunk of use cases. I don’t see why we necessarily need code forges for collaboration. We just need something a little better than emailing patches around. It’s why I’ve been building a pastebin super charged for git collaboration. It’s still very much a wip but for anyone curious: https://pr.pico.sh https://pr.pico.sh
- vhantz 1y ago
  All your work at pico.sh never cease to amaze me!
pessimizer 1y ago
I'll get into radicle when they make a properly namespaced p2p alternative to crates.io out of it. I'll make it my religion. If I'm going to have all of these packages on my system at all times, I can continually dedicate 50-100K of my bandwidth to sharing them; everyone could, really. Rust has a Microsoft dependency in crates.io. We all have a Microsoft dependency with github. edit: iirc, they're extreme CoC warriors and crypto-connected, so that's going to limit the reach of the project.
- Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
  > I'll make it my religion. Hey mate, these are just tools but I love the energy I suppose. Pretty sure that you can hack something like this though Just checked and saw this https://github.com/moriturus/ktra https://github.com/moriturus/ktra Now its been a long time since I last checked at radicle but if they are using checksum as the thing then you can definitely hack through something with ktra which pulls the content from radicle nodes and gives it back I suppose not sure what you mean by namespaced p2p thing mate, at best maybe we could have something like nostr in an ideal world where we sort things through on time and sort of but that is really finnicky, I have worked on something similar but that would involve crypto which I or you also don't want to involve it seems. The best idea could be a sort of lookup table that can be operated by rust foundation etc. which just links names to their hashes etc., iirc nix can definitely do something similar with nix flakes in the sense that they also follow the hash based approach but don't take my word for it as I am not sure and nix is also not the point of this discussion. If this is something that you are really passionate about, maybe you should give it a go! Have a nice day!
  - JuniperMesos 1y ago
    Yeah, "make it my religion" is a bit extreme - these are, as you say, software tools. Nonetheless, I do think it is bad that a lot of digital infrastructure for free/open source software, such as crates.io, is dependent on centralized services run by large corporations such as Microsoft-owned Github. It is important for free software hackers to develop free alternatives to this infrastructure that don't rely on e.g. having to have an account on a service wholly owned and run by Microsoft. Radicle is a really neat software project precisely because it is an attempt at building something that does the same job as Github, but without having to use proprietary software hosted by Microsoft.
udev4096 1y ago
Love radicle! Excellent docs, great UI, easy-to-use cli and it's all written in Rust. Have been running a public node recently: https://app.radicle.xyz/nodes/radicle.ext4.xyz https://app.radicle.xyz/nodes/radicle.ext4.xyz
mixcocam 1y ago
Seem a lot like fossil-scm

98 points by emreb 1y ago

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(2024) https://radicle.xyz/ https://radicle.xyz/ Some various discussions: Radicle 1.0 – A local-first, P2P alternative to GitHub https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41509713 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41509713 Jujutsu and Radicle https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44900455 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44900455

gradientsrneat 1y ago

Issue tracking support is great. I hope they add web login (maybe through ActivityPub and/or OAuth), and a wiki tab. This would put it on par with Fossil, which is similarly decentralized but has a bespoke version control which makes rewriting history and other git workflows difficult.

graemep 1y ago
Fossil is primarily a DVCS, like git, but aimed at a different set of users (e.g. smaller projects) and includes decentralised tickets etc., but in practice it is easiest to have a centralised server. Its easy to run your own, but there is hosting available for Fossil: https://chiselapp.com/ https://chiselapp.com/ Redicale seems much more decentralised. Rather than making it easy to run your own server it eliminates the server altogether. A more radical approach :). it would probably be easier to build something like Radicale on top of Fossil because all that is missing is a way of finding to peers, and connecting to them without a server (e.g. from dynamic IPs, behind NAT etc.).
- CaptainOfCoit 1y ago
  > Fossil is primarily a DVCS, like git, but aimed at a different set of users (e.g. smaller projects) Is it actually? I never got the impression SQLite was a smaller project, but I'd confess to not knowing much about how it is organized.
  - mburns 1y ago
    Small in terms of team size, not impact. SQLite is developed by 3 people. They don't accept outside contributions.

Bolwin 1y ago

Windows support yet? Ah well

baobun 1y ago
Windows is increasingly less of a viable platform for, well, anything. Time to pick a distro.
- jayd16 1y ago
  I don't know what it is about git but it really brings out the "Nuh uh, your use-case is wrong" talking points.
- pigeons 1y ago
  I think you can pick from most of them via wsl2.
diggan 1y ago
I think they're focusing on developers, most of which are either planning a move to something else, wishing they could move or have already left.
- Bolwin 1y ago
  50% of devs use windows. Personally, what dev related motivation I had to move to Linux disappeared when wsl got decent. That said, 90% of my work is still in windows proper, so any universal tool like git related needs to support it to be any use. And if not me, anyone else you're collaborating with.
  - pessimizer 1y ago
    The motivation you had to move to Linux evaporated when you started regularly using Linux, and it's important to consider Windows developers, for whom it's now easy to use Linux without completely moving to Linux.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 1y ago

eternityforest 1y ago

This seems like one of the most interesting P2P projects out there. It seems like it could be a really nice backend sync engine for offline first apps, aside from the lack of official support for Android.

qudat 1y ago

Cool project, I’m always weary by projects that take so much dev time to build out, but I’ve been keeping my eye on this one. I’ve been thinking about git collaboration slightly differently from the rest of the code forges. I think git collaboration could be easier for a huge chunk of use cases. I don’t see why we necessarily need code forges for collaboration. We just need something a little better than emailing patches around. It’s why I’ve been building a pastebin super charged for git collaboration. It’s still very much a wip but for anyone curious: https://pr.pico.sh https://pr.pico.sh

vhantz 1y ago
All your work at pico.sh never cease to amaze me!

pessimizer 1y ago

I'll get into radicle when they make a properly namespaced p2p alternative to crates.io out of it. I'll make it my religion. If I'm going to have all of these packages on my system at all times, I can continually dedicate 50-100K of my bandwidth to sharing them; everyone could, really. Rust has a Microsoft dependency in crates.io. We all have a Microsoft dependency with github. edit: iirc, they're extreme CoC warriors and crypto-connected, so that's going to limit the reach of the project.

Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
> I'll make it my religion. Hey mate, these are just tools but I love the energy I suppose. Pretty sure that you can hack something like this though Just checked and saw this https://github.com/moriturus/ktra https://github.com/moriturus/ktra Now its been a long time since I last checked at radicle but if they are using checksum as the thing then you can definitely hack through something with ktra which pulls the content from radicle nodes and gives it back I suppose not sure what you mean by namespaced p2p thing mate, at best maybe we could have something like nostr in an ideal world where we sort things through on time and sort of but that is really finnicky, I have worked on something similar but that would involve crypto which I or you also don't want to involve it seems. The best idea could be a sort of lookup table that can be operated by rust foundation etc. which just links names to their hashes etc., iirc nix can definitely do something similar with nix flakes in the sense that they also follow the hash based approach but don't take my word for it as I am not sure and nix is also not the point of this discussion. If this is something that you are really passionate about, maybe you should give it a go! Have a nice day!
- JuniperMesos 1y ago
  Yeah, "make it my religion" is a bit extreme - these are, as you say, software tools. Nonetheless, I do think it is bad that a lot of digital infrastructure for free/open source software, such as crates.io, is dependent on centralized services run by large corporations such as Microsoft-owned Github. It is important for free software hackers to develop free alternatives to this infrastructure that don't rely on e.g. having to have an account on a service wholly owned and run by Microsoft. Radicle is a really neat software project precisely because it is an attempt at building something that does the same job as Github, but without having to use proprietary software hosted by Microsoft.

udev4096 1y ago

Love radicle! Excellent docs, great UI, easy-to-use cli and it's all written in Rust. Have been running a public node recently: https://app.radicle.xyz/nodes/radicle.ext4.xyz https://app.radicle.xyz/nodes/radicle.ext4.xyz

mixcocam 1y ago

Seem a lot like fossil-scm