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> a prison camp Is this different from a real/general prison? I mean does it have better facilities, space et cetera?

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throwaway2037 1y ago
This is a good question. I did Googling. Here is what I found: From the US Federal Bureau of Prisons: https://www.bop.gov/about/facilities/federal_prisons.jsp https://www.bop.gov/about/facilities/federal_prisons.jsp > Minimum security institutions, also known as Federal Prison Camps (FPCs), have dormitory housing, a relatively low staff-to-inmate ratio, and limited or no perimeter fencing. These institutions are work- and program-oriented. The Elizabeth Holmes Wiki page says she is staying here: Federal Prison Camp, Bryan (Texas). Check out this Wiki quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Bryan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Bryan > FPC Bryan along with FPC Lewisburg and FPC Lompoc have the lowest security rating of all the federal institutions, other than community corrections centers as those are known as halfway houses. Due to the low classification, most of these facilities have no fence and a low staff-to-inmate ratio. No fence! Oh, it looks like Ghislaine Maxwell (of Jeffrey Epstein fame/infamy) is also staying there.
- mkbkn 1y ago
  Well, someone wished her too well.
- amelius 1y ago
  Does the dormitory housing have internet? If yes, I wouldn't even mind sitting there for a while. Might even start a new company with so much time on my hands.
  - throwaway2037 1y ago
    Google AI tells me: > No Internet Access: Inmates are strictly prohibited from accessing the internet. Honestly, I think it would be great to allow inmates to use the Internet for studying and building relevant job skills.
    - DonHopkins 1y ago
      If only their role is limited to being a Subservient Chicken. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Subservient_Chicken https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Subservient_Chicken https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGjtE_SOn70 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGjtE_SOn70 I would pay to boss around country club criminals in chicken suits like Ghislaine Maxwell and Donald Trump over the internet, in the name of rehabilitation.
    - amelius 1y ago
      It should have a very strong filter, though. You don't want inmates posing as children on Facebook, for example. I suppose it's too easy to f* this up, so it won't happen.
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- irjustin 1y ago
  Jeez that place looks better than so many schools even vacation homes. Something's really wrong with this picture.
  - throwaway2037 1y ago
    Well, have you seen "maximum" security prisons in Norway and Finland? It is really something else. You can find videos on YouTube about it. It looks like a summer camp. Of course, they have high social goals to reintegrate these people into regular society when their sentence is complete.
- royletron 1y ago
  The hardest bit of that Camp Bryan wiki is this disparity. Ruby Jane McMillan - part of a meth supply ring. Sentenced to 38 months, completed less than 2 years. Laurel Yurchick - had 50g of meth on her. Sentenced with intent to supply to 10years - not due for parole until 2029. So one was clearly higher in the supply chain yet got sentenced to a third of the time?
  - lazide 1y ago
    Who do you think had the better lawyers?
    - joshmn 1y ago
      Lawyers don't have much to do with this part of the process. Adults-in-custody have a points system that reflects where they fall on the ladder as far as custody level goes. More in Program Statement 5100: https://www.bop.gov/policy/progstat/5100_008cn.pdf https://www.bop.gov/policy/progstat/5100_008cn.pdf
      - lazide 1y ago
        Lawyers have a huge impact on how the case (and defendant!) is presented, what is and is not considered in the trial or plea, what plea the person gets - or if they get one at all, etc.
  - landl0rd 1y ago
    50g is quite a lot of meth, dozens and dozens of doses even at the heavier user quantities: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.05.09.25327334v2 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.05.09.25327334v... That is almost certainly distribution as well. McMillan played a lesser part in this distribution ring; the two men involved were each sentenced to twelve years: https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdla/pr/monroe-men-sentenced-more-12-years-each-prison-roles-methamphetamine-conspiracy https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdla/pr/monroe-men-sentenced-mo... McMillan was involved in a group of three purchasing around a pound of meth. Yurchik was involved in a ring of 27 people in multiple states moving kilogram quantities over the course of two years: https://www.kxxv.com/news/local-news/central-texans-among-21-arrested-on-federal-drug-trafficking-charges-filed-in-austin https://www.kxxv.com/news/local-news/central-texans-among-21... The group also actively laundered its earnings though only half a dozen or so were charged for that. The feds seized seventy-two kg of meth from them, more than one hundred fifty times what this other lady was involved with, a kg of cocaine, a bunch of money, and more than a dozen firearms. These were not cases of radically unequal charging. I don't know why you picked these two people but I get a little tired of folks presenting such a skewed view of any and everything to come up with "prison bad, judge bad, sentence bad".
- 4ggr0 1y ago
  Jeffrey Epstein, the New York Financier?!?
jalapenos 1y ago
The word "camp" really doesn't make it sound better does it. Certainly doesn't suggest a more cushy version of prison. It sounds more like they get put on a rock in the middle of the Pacific.

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throwaway2037 1y ago

This is a good question. I did Googling. Here is what I found: From the US Federal Bureau of Prisons: https://www.bop.gov/about/facilities/federal_prisons.jsp https://www.bop.gov/about/facilities/federal_prisons.jsp > Minimum security institutions, also known as Federal Prison Camps (FPCs), have dormitory housing, a relatively low staff-to-inmate ratio, and limited or no perimeter fencing. These institutions are work- and program-oriented. The Elizabeth Holmes Wiki page says she is staying here: Federal Prison Camp, Bryan (Texas). Check out this Wiki quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Bryan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Bryan > FPC Bryan along with FPC Lewisburg and FPC Lompoc have the lowest security rating of all the federal institutions, other than community corrections centers as those are known as halfway houses. Due to the low classification, most of these facilities have no fence and a low staff-to-inmate ratio. No fence! Oh, it looks like Ghislaine Maxwell (of Jeffrey Epstein fame/infamy) is also staying there.

mkbkn 1y ago
Well, someone wished her too well.
amelius 1y ago
Does the dormitory housing have internet? If yes, I wouldn't even mind sitting there for a while. Might even start a new company with so much time on my hands.
- throwaway2037 1y ago
  Google AI tells me: > No Internet Access: Inmates are strictly prohibited from accessing the internet. Honestly, I think it would be great to allow inmates to use the Internet for studying and building relevant job skills.
  - DonHopkins 1y ago
    If only their role is limited to being a Subservient Chicken. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Subservient_Chicken https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Subservient_Chicken https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGjtE_SOn70 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGjtE_SOn70 I would pay to boss around country club criminals in chicken suits like Ghislaine Maxwell and Donald Trump over the internet, in the name of rehabilitation.
  - amelius 1y ago
    It should have a very strong filter, though. You don't want inmates posing as children on Facebook, for example. I suppose it's too easy to f* this up, so it won't happen.
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irjustin 1y ago
Jeez that place looks better than so many schools even vacation homes. Something's really wrong with this picture.
- throwaway2037 1y ago
  Well, have you seen "maximum" security prisons in Norway and Finland? It is really something else. You can find videos on YouTube about it. It looks like a summer camp. Of course, they have high social goals to reintegrate these people into regular society when their sentence is complete.
royletron 1y ago
The hardest bit of that Camp Bryan wiki is this disparity. Ruby Jane McMillan - part of a meth supply ring. Sentenced to 38 months, completed less than 2 years. Laurel Yurchick - had 50g of meth on her. Sentenced with intent to supply to 10years - not due for parole until 2029. So one was clearly higher in the supply chain yet got sentenced to a third of the time?
- lazide 1y ago
  Who do you think had the better lawyers?
  - joshmn 1y ago
    Lawyers don't have much to do with this part of the process. Adults-in-custody have a points system that reflects where they fall on the ladder as far as custody level goes. More in Program Statement 5100: https://www.bop.gov/policy/progstat/5100_008cn.pdf https://www.bop.gov/policy/progstat/5100_008cn.pdf
    - lazide 1y ago
      Lawyers have a huge impact on how the case (and defendant!) is presented, what is and is not considered in the trial or plea, what plea the person gets - or if they get one at all, etc.
- landl0rd 1y ago
  50g is quite a lot of meth, dozens and dozens of doses even at the heavier user quantities: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.05.09.25327334v2 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.05.09.25327334v... That is almost certainly distribution as well. McMillan played a lesser part in this distribution ring; the two men involved were each sentenced to twelve years: https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdla/pr/monroe-men-sentenced-more-12-years-each-prison-roles-methamphetamine-conspiracy https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdla/pr/monroe-men-sentenced-mo... McMillan was involved in a group of three purchasing around a pound of meth. Yurchik was involved in a ring of 27 people in multiple states moving kilogram quantities over the course of two years: https://www.kxxv.com/news/local-news/central-texans-among-21-arrested-on-federal-drug-trafficking-charges-filed-in-austin https://www.kxxv.com/news/local-news/central-texans-among-21... The group also actively laundered its earnings though only half a dozen or so were charged for that. The feds seized seventy-two kg of meth from them, more than one hundred fifty times what this other lady was involved with, a kg of cocaine, a bunch of money, and more than a dozen firearms. These were not cases of radically unequal charging. I don't know why you picked these two people but I get a little tired of folks presenting such a skewed view of any and everything to come up with "prison bad, judge bad, sentence bad".
4ggr0 1y ago
Jeffrey Epstein, the New York Financier?!?

jalapenos 1y ago

The word "camp" really doesn't make it sound better does it. Certainly doesn't suggest a more cushy version of prison. It sounds more like they get put on a rock in the middle of the Pacific.