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Top US researchers rush to relocate to Europe
- SilverElfin 1y ago[flagged]
- bix6 1y ago> fivefold increase in U.S.-based applicants Yeah it’s a big nothing burger SilverElfin, keep supporting this admin for whatever reason it is you still support them Social science doesn’t matter? Interesting take.
- spicyusername 1y agoNot to defend this administration, which has been absolutely atrocious, or the OP which has a bad attitude, but it _is_ true that this article is mostly anecdata that only spreads more FUD. An increase of 23 to 114 for one random thing isn't really a trend and it's questionable whether it's newsworthy, even if it is a seed that could have grown into a real headline with legitimate journalism, more investigation, and better writing. But this is what passes as journalism these days, and if it confirms our pre-existing believees, we'll happily repost it and pretend it's real.
- Herring 1y agohttps://news.gallup.com/poll/692150/american-pride-slips-new-low.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/692150/american-pride-slips-new... There's a real survey then. The trend will continue, democrats will keep becoming more unhappy, and those with means will increasingly make changes. Intelligence correlates with liberalism and openness to new experiences. That's how brain drain after fascism works. Conservatives of course don't care.
- nxm 1y ago"Intelligence correlates with liberalism" - that is one hell of something pulled out of thin air
- Herring 1y agoIt's true. It starts as easily as "has an easier time learning new languages". Universities are inherently centers of critical thinking, independent research, analysis and questioning of established norms, etc. There's a reason that in history conservatives and fascists are consistently hostile towards intellectuals.
- bigyabai 1y agoIt's yet to be proven that illiberal thinking moves anything forward. Reality's bias is most certainly not conservative, statistically speaking.
- bix6 1y agoHere’s one with physics, chemistry, and sociology. https://www.reuters.com/world/austria-hails-brain-gain-luring-25-academics-away-us-after-cuts-2025-09-25/ https://www.reuters.com/world/austria-hails-brain-gain-lurin... So sure this story doesn’t provide details but it confirms the trend we all see happening.
- juggern 1y ago[flagged]
- bix6 1y agoSo you also think sociology, economics, etc. are pointless?
- juggern 1y ago[flagged]
- bix6 1y agoSo who do you think should do basic scientific research and long term R&D?
- juggern 1y ago[flagged]
- piva00 1y agoGot it, you are just an ignorant bigot. Quick edit: looks like I really wasn't wrong about you being an ignorant bigot, just for the sake of others wanting to interact with you, a quote: > There are literally tens of millions of foreigners already in your territories without your permission and more walking across your undefended border every day. Non-Whites will outnumber White Americans in your lifetime. > Challenge accepted? It's already over. You lost. You sat back and did nothing. > (lol flagging my comment doesn't change shit, go on and stick your head in the sand)
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- bigyabai 1y agoIt's literally ragebait to make you post this exact comment without doing any Googling. There are always thousands of "top researchers" leaving America, anyone can cite a civil engineer, nuclear scientist or aviation major and prove you wrong. If your response is "we don't need them anyways" without even identifying a single person in specific, you are (once again) speaking purely from bias. You do not understand the situation and just want to defend pre-established beliefs from popular scrutiny.
- SilverElfin 1y ago> If your response is "we don't need them anyways" without even identifying a single person in specific Did the article identify anyone in specifics?
- bigyabai 1y agoDid you?
- gamma42 1y agoOnly going to increase. The US is far worse than it was just a few months ago before major decisions like relocation were to occur.
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- protocolture 1y agoHonestly the real question is why anyone is staying.
- mystraline 1y agoMany of us dont have a choice. I dont have any familial ties of immigration. I dont know foreign languages to be competent. I look at Europe as a whole also facing extremist conservative and fascist-adjacent rhetoric. I dont see those countries much better off. I know little of South America. I know Africa has a lot of inroads with China with Belt and Road. Simply put: I'm trapped in the USA. My friends are trapped in the USA. My indirect family is either trapped in the USA, or they're pro-maga and approve this hellscape the country is being into. Ive looked at making a commune with like-minded folks and becoming self sufficient, and walking away from this society. Cause there's not many choices, and fewer every day.
- protocolture 1y agoHow long until we start getting asylum seekers from the US. Because you are talking about above board, welcomed methods of migration. If I was in the US, the first thing I would do is no longer be in the US by whatever means possible.
- mystraline 1y agoBut go where? And if I enter irregularly (illegally cross), and request asylum, what then? I likely won't know the language. I can't legally work. I'm now an "illegal alien", and people everywhere hate them (USA isn't special in that hate). I could try English speaking countries? Canada is not encouraging, given the 51st state threats. England, again, not at all welcoming. Iceland is suffering badly with a whole bunch of things. I dont know about Australia or New Zealand. The USA is also very big. Lot of places to hide.
- protocolture 1y agoHonestly the hatred of Asylum seekers is pretty squarely on asylum seekers of certain races. We had a political party that worked hard to stop arrivals from Asia while trying to find a way to bring christians here from the Middle East under the same terms. Its cynical, but I reckon you would be fine.
- mystraline 1y agoWell, this is a softball kind of garbage article. So let's look at harder numbers. https://www.aspi.org.au/report/aspis-two-decade-critical-technology-tracker/ https://www.aspi.org.au/report/aspis-two-decade-critical-tec... > The US led in 60 of 64 technologies in the five years from 2003 to 2007, but in the most recent five years (2019–2023) is leading in seven. China led in just three of 64 technologies in 2003–2007 but is now the lead country in 57 of 64 technologies in 2019–2023, increasing its lead from our rankings last year (2018–2022), where it was leading in 52 technologies. The flip already was happening before Trump. He absolutely accelerated anti-immigrant, anti-work visa, and other variety of other-hate. But we were losing significant ground in technology to China before this. Basically, if you want to go into a variety of fields, you learn in China, and you work in China. Put simply, they are making factories for quantum chip production. And Photonic chips. https://thequantuminsider.com/2025/06/13/china-ramps-up-photonic-chip-production-with-eye-on-ai-and-quantum-computing/ https://thequantuminsider.com/2025/06/13/china-ramps-up-phot... We're basically playing with mud and sand and used to be good at metal casting. Not even good at that any more. I'm embarrassed to be an American.
- Herring 1y agoIn the long term, you were always going to lose the lead just cause China has 1.4B people. Your choices were turn into Western Europe, or turn into Russia.
- karmakurtisaani 1y agoChina has a demographic collapse coming in a few decades. The long term is very much uncertain. Apart from the US becoming Russia 2, that seems set at this point.
- maxglute 1y agoA "few decades" = a few decades +40-50 years that PRC workforce will hang around, i.e 2070/80, aka most of our/next generations useful lifespans. They're simply going to be milking the greatest high skill demographic divident in recorded history, basically roughly OECD combined in STEM, for any remotely useful extrapolatable/relevant "long term" period. Even then by 2100 their "hammered" demographics, factoring in PRC scale, they are going to produce more tertiary talent with shit TFR than US projected to gain via natural births and immigration (as in pre Trump, immigration rates). Depending on how retirement age extends workforce particapation (which it will, PRC retirement very young), they will still have decisive effective skilled labour pool advantages. That's without mentionining all the shit that suppresses PRC TFR, i.e. real estate prices, high skill absorbtion, are all downstream from current population levels/density. Once they shed 100s of millions, all those stressors will alleviate (abundance of housing, work opportunties) + one child couples will get like 4 wealth transfers from parents, i.e. might not get back to 2.1 replacement TFR, but if it gets to 1.7-1.8 (reasonable range with pronatal policies) that's a few 100m more births to workforce.
- rr808 1y agoI'm surprised, with the salary gap I'd think there would be many more people still moving from Europe to the USA.
- jltsiren 1y agoThat salary gap is not particularly important. People who prioritize salary are more likely to leave the academia for industry than take a new academic job in another country. The salary gap that matters is the gap between academic and industry salaries. That gap is wider in the US, especially for juniors. Because the academia is a better option relative to the alternatives in Europe than in the US, Europeans are more likely to choose it. That leads to more competition for jobs and grants. Many then find it easier to get a job in the US. As a European mid-career academic in California, the value of money is just different here. Everyday living is very expensive, while extras such as international travel and fancy tech gadgets are cheap. Many academics find themselves in the weird financial spot, where they can easily afford the cost of living and possibly even early retirement, while having no hope of home ownership on a single academic salary. (Meanwhile, in my home country, even grad students often buy homes.)
- seanmcdirmid 1y agoEuropean housing markets are diverse. I can buy a home in Seattle but I never dreamed of buying one in Lausanne Switzerland. Switzerland is the odd ball out as their academic salaries are pretty good though (at least my post doc was a good deal). I have friends working in other parts of western Europe who don’t make much but have pretty good lives, retirement is basically covered and they have good job satisfaction, so what else do you really need in life?
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- FranzFerdiNaN 1y ago"Far left fields like environmental sciences" lmao. But hey, at least you have owned the libs, right?!
- juggern 1y ago[flagged]