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Former federal inmate here who was recently released from prison a month ago today (I did 18 months): The big deal here was the loss amount, which can be constr

by joshmn 1y ago

Former federal inmate here who was recently released from prison a month ago today (I did 18 months): The big deal here was the loss amount, which can be construed any number of ways whether we like it or not. This will jack up the points and tilt the scale for the sentencing guidelines, and believe me they are archaic. After all is said and done, Charlie Javice will be hanging out at a prison camp—probably down there with Holmes and Maxwell, because it's cushy—and do no more than 4 years on the 7 assuming she completes all her programming requirements.

64d032fe 1y ago
Reading about you a bit. Would you say I shouldn't go and try to create the replacement for Streameast?
electroglyph 1y ago
did u transition out in corecivic?
- joshmn 1y ago
  I got picked up by my partner, thankfully. I was a self-surrender too. I did hear that they yanked out all the valuable assets from Cimarron (OKC's out-of-custody transfer facility) and now all the doors are manually keyed, amongst other things.
next_xibalba 1y ago
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- zoklet-enjoyer 1y ago
  His views on sentencing have nothing to do with if he believes he did anything wrong.
- paulpauper 1y ago
  who cares if he take accountability or not. he served his time.
  - lukan 1y ago
    His probation officer does as he has not done his full time. (Which is why the thread about it is now flagged)
    - jibal 1y ago
      You're mistaken ... it's the ad hominem attack on him that is flagged and dead.
      - lukan 1y ago
        No. I mean that there was a full submission on him on HN front page this morning, that later was flagged out of concern, because he has in fact a probation officer that should maybe not see this.
- themafia 1y ago
  > It’s hard to take your views on sentencing seriously I have no idea why he had to surrender a year and a half of his life to a notoriously dangerous "correctional" institution for redistributing television streams. For profit or not. I think his incarceration represents an abuse of the system to protect sports monopolies. I genuinely wonder if it wasn't cruel and unusual. No offense but he clearly wasn't some elite hax0r with the capability of bringing significant portions of American infrastructure to it's knees for the purposes of harming the public at large. This should have been a civil case.
  - next_xibalba 1y ago
    Professional sports league games are the output of the efforts of thousands of people and billions of dollars of capital. The right to distribute video of those games are the largest part of how those leagues make money, as arranged by contracts and underpinned by intellectual property law. This is not a case of "you're just bottling tap water". There is tremendous value created by these leagues as represented by their revenues. It is totally absurd to me that someone can believe stealing that intellectual property at scale is not a crime. It is no different than stealing a laptop. In fact, it's worse! The ease by which the scale of the theft can amplified is like stealing thousands of laptops. Do you believe stealing laptops and selling them is criminal?
    - themafia 1y ago
      > It is no different than stealing a laptop. I reject this assertion. > In fact, it's worse! It is not. If I can copy your laptop: You still have a laptop. I also have one now. So it's actually the opposite of worse. It's not nearly as bad. > Do you believe stealing laptops and selling them is criminal? Do you still have a laptop? Then why should I be punished in a jail cell? If you want to settle for cash, we can talk, but if you intend on threatening my life over copies then you have lost the plot.
      - next_xibalba 1y ago
        We likely won't agree on this. I think you're wrong and theft should absolutely be criminal, and theft of certain magnitude should result in prison time. But, he wasn't sent to prison just for the theft and distribution. He also "illegally intruded into MLB computer networks" and then "engaged in an attempt to extort approximately $150,000 from MLB ". He plead guilty to all of this. You think all of that should just be settled via lawsuit, too?
- petesergeant 1y ago
  > it doesn’t really seem like you take accountability for your crimes. from the blog: > # Why the illicit digital transmission [charge]? > I definitely did this.
  - next_xibalba 1y ago
    You cherry picked. That was only one of the charges. He minimizes or denies the legitimacy of other charges.
    - petesergeant 1y ago
      The other charges all looked like they were way for the prosecutors to get leverage. You yourself said: > stole copyrighted content, distributed it for pay which is the very charge I have "cherry-picked".
- jibal 1y ago
  Textbook ad hominem fallacy.
  - next_xibalba 1y ago
    His views on whether he takes responsibility for his crimes goes directly to the credibility of his views on sentencing/punishment of crime.
    - jibal 1y ago
      No, they obviously don't ... which is why your comment is dead.
paulpauper 1y ago
the reduction of time works out well for shorter sentences, but for longer sentences, you will have to serve at least close to the 85% . If you know you will be guilty, you can void bail and work on your sentence early so you get some time served.
- joshmn 1y ago
  I’m curious your relation to the BOP—there are all but a few of us here. My email is in my profile if you’d care to share. The FSA and SCA do wonders for shorter sentences indeed. The recent push (at least on paper) for more timely transitions to community custody is welcomed and very overdue. Sentence length is hard to stomach when you experience first hand how it all but strips people of their future. People get 10 years in the US that would be no more than 1 anywhere else, and then society expects them to come out rehabilitated and ready to contribute to society starting from, most commonly, zero. Halfway houses don’t fix that. Home confinement doesn’t fix that. I’m lucky to have a highly marketable skill and a high degree of ability which makes my experience different than most. I ask myself all the time how it gets fixed. In this society, I don’t think there’s a chance.
thruway516 1y ago
> After all is said and done, Charlie Javice will be hanging out at a prison camp—probably down there with Holmes and Maxwell, because it's cushy—and do no more than 4 years I don't mind that outcome. She did not knowingly sell a product that could harm the public or abuse and traffic children, so it wouldn't be unfair or a travesty of justice like with those other two (especially that last one)
- realitysballs 1y ago
  Agreed, hot take, but she defrauded a large corporate bank , big whoop if you ask me.
  - some_guy_nobel 1y ago
    Have you ever heard of second-order effects?
  - MyOutfitIsVague 1y ago
    I'm not sure I like the incentives that creates, though. If this is the precedent, then if you're committing financial fraud already you might as well go as big as possible, since there appears to be a cap on punishment.
    - AngryData 1y ago
      I mean from mine, and im sure many other people's view, that is already mostly true. Her biggest mistake to me seems like messing with a big dog, rather than screwing over little guys that don't have millions to throw at the courts or teams of full time lawyers. If JPMorgan defrauded the same amount of money from a bunch of regular joes I doubt anybody would be in jail or even that any potential fees would come anywhere to matching the amount of money defrauded.
  - MaxHoppersGhost 1y ago
    Strong anti fraud rules (even for massive banks) are a foundational part of a high functioning society.
crossroadsguy 1y ago
> a prison camp Is this different from a real/general prison? I mean does it have better facilities, space et cetera?
- deleted 1y ago
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- throwaway2037 1y ago
  This is a good question. I did Googling. Here is what I found: From the US Federal Bureau of Prisons: https://www.bop.gov/about/facilities/federal_prisons.jsp https://www.bop.gov/about/facilities/federal_prisons.jsp > Minimum security institutions, also known as Federal Prison Camps (FPCs), have dormitory housing, a relatively low staff-to-inmate ratio, and limited or no perimeter fencing. These institutions are work- and program-oriented. The Elizabeth Holmes Wiki page says she is staying here: Federal Prison Camp, Bryan (Texas). Check out this Wiki quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Bryan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Bryan > FPC Bryan along with FPC Lewisburg and FPC Lompoc have the lowest security rating of all the federal institutions, other than community corrections centers as those are known as halfway houses. Due to the low classification, most of these facilities have no fence and a low staff-to-inmate ratio. No fence! Oh, it looks like Ghislaine Maxwell (of Jeffrey Epstein fame/infamy) is also staying there.
  - mkbkn 1y ago
    Well, someone wished her too well.
  - amelius 1y ago
    Does the dormitory housing have internet? If yes, I wouldn't even mind sitting there for a while. Might even start a new company with so much time on my hands.
    - throwaway2037 1y ago
      Google AI tells me: > No Internet Access: Inmates are strictly prohibited from accessing the internet. Honestly, I think it would be great to allow inmates to use the Internet for studying and building relevant job skills.

by joshmn 1y ago

64d032fe 1y ago

Reading about you a bit. Would you say I shouldn't go and try to create the replacement for Streameast?

electroglyph 1y ago

did u transition out in corecivic?

joshmn 1y ago
I got picked up by my partner, thankfully. I was a self-surrender too. I did hear that they yanked out all the valuable assets from Cimarron (OKC's out-of-custody transfer facility) and now all the doors are manually keyed, amongst other things.

next_xibalba 1y ago

[flagged]

zoklet-enjoyer 1y ago
His views on sentencing have nothing to do with if he believes he did anything wrong.
paulpauper 1y ago
who cares if he take accountability or not. he served his time.
- lukan 1y ago
  His probation officer does as he has not done his full time. (Which is why the thread about it is now flagged)
  - jibal 1y ago
    You're mistaken ... it's the ad hominem attack on him that is flagged and dead.
    - lukan 1y ago
      No. I mean that there was a full submission on him on HN front page this morning, that later was flagged out of concern, because he has in fact a probation officer that should maybe not see this.
themafia 1y ago
> It’s hard to take your views on sentencing seriously I have no idea why he had to surrender a year and a half of his life to a notoriously dangerous "correctional" institution for redistributing television streams. For profit or not. I think his incarceration represents an abuse of the system to protect sports monopolies. I genuinely wonder if it wasn't cruel and unusual. No offense but he clearly wasn't some elite hax0r with the capability of bringing significant portions of American infrastructure to it's knees for the purposes of harming the public at large. This should have been a civil case.
- next_xibalba 1y ago
  Professional sports league games are the output of the efforts of thousands of people and billions of dollars of capital. The right to distribute video of those games are the largest part of how those leagues make money, as arranged by contracts and underpinned by intellectual property law. This is not a case of "you're just bottling tap water". There is tremendous value created by these leagues as represented by their revenues. It is totally absurd to me that someone can believe stealing that intellectual property at scale is not a crime. It is no different than stealing a laptop. In fact, it's worse! The ease by which the scale of the theft can amplified is like stealing thousands of laptops. Do you believe stealing laptops and selling them is criminal?
  - themafia 1y ago
    > It is no different than stealing a laptop. I reject this assertion. > In fact, it's worse! It is not. If I can copy your laptop: You still have a laptop. I also have one now. So it's actually the opposite of worse. It's not nearly as bad. > Do you believe stealing laptops and selling them is criminal? Do you still have a laptop? Then why should I be punished in a jail cell? If you want to settle for cash, we can talk, but if you intend on threatening my life over copies then you have lost the plot.
    - next_xibalba 1y ago
      We likely won't agree on this. I think you're wrong and theft should absolutely be criminal, and theft of certain magnitude should result in prison time. But, he wasn't sent to prison just for the theft and distribution. He also "illegally intruded into MLB computer networks" and then "engaged in an attempt to extort approximately $150,000 from MLB ". He plead guilty to all of this. You think all of that should just be settled via lawsuit, too?
petesergeant 1y ago
> it doesn’t really seem like you take accountability for your crimes. from the blog: > # Why the illicit digital transmission [charge]? > I definitely did this.
- next_xibalba 1y ago
  You cherry picked. That was only one of the charges. He minimizes or denies the legitimacy of other charges.
  - petesergeant 1y ago
    The other charges all looked like they were way for the prosecutors to get leverage. You yourself said: > stole copyrighted content, distributed it for pay which is the very charge I have "cherry-picked".
jibal 1y ago
Textbook ad hominem fallacy.
- next_xibalba 1y ago
  His views on whether he takes responsibility for his crimes goes directly to the credibility of his views on sentencing/punishment of crime.
  - jibal 1y ago
    No, they obviously don't ... which is why your comment is dead.

paulpauper 1y ago

the reduction of time works out well for shorter sentences, but for longer sentences, you will have to serve at least close to the 85% . If you know you will be guilty, you can void bail and work on your sentence early so you get some time served.

joshmn 1y ago
I’m curious your relation to the BOP—there are all but a few of us here. My email is in my profile if you’d care to share. The FSA and SCA do wonders for shorter sentences indeed. The recent push (at least on paper) for more timely transitions to community custody is welcomed and very overdue. Sentence length is hard to stomach when you experience first hand how it all but strips people of their future. People get 10 years in the US that would be no more than 1 anywhere else, and then society expects them to come out rehabilitated and ready to contribute to society starting from, most commonly, zero. Halfway houses don’t fix that. Home confinement doesn’t fix that. I’m lucky to have a highly marketable skill and a high degree of ability which makes my experience different than most. I ask myself all the time how it gets fixed. In this society, I don’t think there’s a chance.

thruway516 1y ago

> After all is said and done, Charlie Javice will be hanging out at a prison camp—probably down there with Holmes and Maxwell, because it's cushy—and do no more than 4 years I don't mind that outcome. She did not knowingly sell a product that could harm the public or abuse and traffic children, so it wouldn't be unfair or a travesty of justice like with those other two (especially that last one)

realitysballs 1y ago
Agreed, hot take, but she defrauded a large corporate bank , big whoop if you ask me.
- some_guy_nobel 1y ago
  Have you ever heard of second-order effects?
- MyOutfitIsVague 1y ago
  I'm not sure I like the incentives that creates, though. If this is the precedent, then if you're committing financial fraud already you might as well go as big as possible, since there appears to be a cap on punishment.
  - AngryData 1y ago
    I mean from mine, and im sure many other people's view, that is already mostly true. Her biggest mistake to me seems like messing with a big dog, rather than screwing over little guys that don't have millions to throw at the courts or teams of full time lawyers. If JPMorgan defrauded the same amount of money from a bunch of regular joes I doubt anybody would be in jail or even that any potential fees would come anywhere to matching the amount of money defrauded.
- MaxHoppersGhost 1y ago
  Strong anti fraud rules (even for massive banks) are a foundational part of a high functioning society.

crossroadsguy 1y ago

> a prison camp Is this different from a real/general prison? I mean does it have better facilities, space et cetera?

deleted 1y ago
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throwaway2037 1y ago
This is a good question. I did Googling. Here is what I found: From the US Federal Bureau of Prisons: https://www.bop.gov/about/facilities/federal_prisons.jsp https://www.bop.gov/about/facilities/federal_prisons.jsp > Minimum security institutions, also known as Federal Prison Camps (FPCs), have dormitory housing, a relatively low staff-to-inmate ratio, and limited or no perimeter fencing. These institutions are work- and program-oriented. The Elizabeth Holmes Wiki page says she is staying here: Federal Prison Camp, Bryan (Texas). Check out this Wiki quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Bryan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Bryan > FPC Bryan along with FPC Lewisburg and FPC Lompoc have the lowest security rating of all the federal institutions, other than community corrections centers as those are known as halfway houses. Due to the low classification, most of these facilities have no fence and a low staff-to-inmate ratio. No fence! Oh, it looks like Ghislaine Maxwell (of Jeffrey Epstein fame/infamy) is also staying there.
- mkbkn 1y ago
  Well, someone wished her too well.
- amelius 1y ago
  Does the dormitory housing have internet? If yes, I wouldn't even mind sitting there for a while. Might even start a new company with so much time on my hands.
  - throwaway2037 1y ago
    Google AI tells me: > No Internet Access: Inmates are strictly prohibited from accessing the internet. Honestly, I think it would be great to allow inmates to use the Internet for studying and building relevant job skills.