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You also need to consider the impact of offshoring. Accenture's layoffs of 11,000 workers is listed in the chart, but a few days earlier they announced they we
by DebtDeflation 1y ago
You also need to consider the impact of offshoring. Accenture's layoffs of 11,000 workers is listed in the chart, but a few days earlier they announced they were opening a new campus in India and hiring 12,000.
- steveBK123 1y agoCorporate America really thinks we are that stupid
- sfn42 1y agoLooking at who you elected (twice!!) I don't know how wrong they are.
- soulofmischief 1y agoFriendly reminder that America is not a single person, but a very large country filled with many different opinions.
- zenlot 1y agoYou realize that the large country you're mentioning, with many opinions, still elect 1 president, who represents that large country with different opinions?
- danaris 1y agoYou realize that no more than a third of the people in the country actually voted for said president?
- zenlot 1y agoYou realize, that it doesn't change the fact, that the elected president represents that large country with many opinions?
- danaris 1y agoI genuinely believe that, at this point, that starts to stretch the definition of the word "represents." It's readily apparent that no president for the past decade has clearly represented a majority of the country (as opposed to a plurality) in the sense that they voted for or supported him. But Trump has gone further, and openly declared that not only does he not consider himself to represent the people politically opposed to him, he considers them to be dangerous violent extremists. At what point do you admit that a fascist dictator no longer meaningfully "represents" the people he rules?
- sfn42 1y agoWhen they stop voting for him, and when the people who are supposedly against him actually get off the couch and vote against him, how about that?
- paulryanrogers 1y agoPlease keep in mind many non-voters aren't laying around on the couch, but working multiple jobs trying to pay rent and healthcare. Our unitary president is talking about restricting mail in voting and taking other measures to ensure the desired outcome. He's already resorted to sending fake electors, demanding votes be 'found', and inciting violence to interrupt the results of elections he doesn't like. (And pardoning those found guilty of participating in such interference on his behalf.)
- armitron 1y agoTrump is trying hard to get voter id passed (common sense in Europe) and he’s obviously not doing that because he wants to cheat in elections. Your characterization is therefore misguided in the extreme. We only need to look at states like California and their complete absence of voter id to realize where and for whom rampant election fraud takes place.
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- soulofmischief 1y agoNo, I don't realize that, because it's laughably false. The president is not elected to represent me, that's what Congress is supposed to be for. A single man cannot possibly represent a country of 340 million people. It's understandably easy for people from smaller countries to not be able to fathom just how big and divided America is.
- sfn42 1y agoIt's exactly the same thing man. 34 million people is pretty unfathomable too. One person can't truly represent all those just like one person can't truly represent 340 people. Unless of course those 340 people all self selected to follow that one person, but that's not how countries work. In all cases the members of the group choose whoever gets the most votes and everyone is never happy. The semantics of how the voting works may change but at the end of the day the people chose their president. And it just so happens the US chose a disgraceful orange clown twice. For all their biglyness and dividedness, that's who they managed to unite behind. You can explain it however you want, to me it definitely means something and it's not a good thing.
- soulofmischief 1y agoYou are fundamentally misunderstanding the size and complexity of US politics, and harmfully oversimplifying what it means for a country to "choose" representation. America is extremely divided, and viewing it as a single country where the "losers" deserve the negative consequences of the "winners'" choices is just absurd and void of empathy.
- zenlot 1y ago> A single man cannot possibly represent a country of 340 million people. So how many presidents US have? 1 or many? I don't mind you're putting your opinion out, but it doesn't change the fact, despite that it sounds laughable to you.
- soulofmischief 1y agoIt might seem like an opinion if you're uneducated about the American political system, but if you kill the negativity and actually go study how our government is balanced, you would realize that Congress represents the people, the president is a necessary function within our political framework, but the intention was never for a single person to represent the entire country, or we wouldn't have an entire legislative branch dedicated to just that.
- sfn42 1y agoYeah, I'm aware of how countries work thanks
- soulofmischief 1y agoI'm not convinced you do, given your ridiculous, offensive comment.
- efitz 1y agoThe man who just instituted a policy requiring companies to pay $100k per H1-B visa? Maybe US voters aren’t so stupid after all.
- scarface_74 1y agoHe didn’t “institute” anything. He can’t do it without getting a law passed. That’s just like the “deal” he made with Nvidia that Nvidia would pay 15% of revenue for every processor shipped to China. The CFO of Nvidia said on the earnings call that it doesn’t matter what deal someone at his company made with Trump, he isn’t authorizing any funds transfer until there is a law passed. Even my mid sized company when asked when they would start allowing private equity and crypto based on Trump’s announcement, they said not until a law is passed by Congress. On a completely separate note, of the large tech companies can’t get H1Bs cheaply, they will continue to expand their presence outside of the country.
- mandeepj 1y ago> Maybe US voters aren’t so stupid after all. They are still waiting for cheap groceries and that’s what they voted for!
- ttoinou 1y agoMaybe you don’t understand what happened and you should study this more instead of believing you’re smarter than those electors
- sfn42 1y agoMaybe you could enlighten me? Cause it looks to me like he won an election. I watch Trump speak and it just baffles me that anyone could possibly take him seriously. It's so abundantly clear that the guy just makes shit up on the spot, constantly. The guy lies more than he tells the truth and it's obvious. I'm not even a native English speaker and it's clear as day to me that pretty much every word out of that guy's mouth is bullshit. I watch Trump interacting with other world leaders where they're struggling to keep their composure, the stuff he says and does is so ridiculous these serious, accomplished adults are about to lose it laughing in his face because he's so ridiculous. And on top of that there's all the downright criminal stuff he pulled last time, like staging a coup, stealing classified documents (boxes and boxes worth, not just a couple sheets that fell behind the sofa), and probably a bunch of other stuff I haven't heard about. Oh and apparently he used to be besties with Epstein. You can not make this up, I almost could not imagine a worse leader. And I'm barely even paying attention to what's going on over there. On the bright side at least we're getting some good laughs out of it like when Giuliani booked a press conference at the Four Seasons Landscaping next to a porn shop. That was fun.
- ttoinou 1y agoYou can be a smart politician and do stupid things. You can be dumb and vote for a smart politician. You can be a stupid politician and do not-that-bad-compared-to-the-smart-politician things. You can be smart and vote for a stupid politician.
- sfn42 1y agoSure, a broken clock is right twice a day. And sure, you can be smart and vote for Trump. Maybe you just genuinely want the chaos and his policies. It's probably good for some people. But it's not good for normal people. Normal people vote for Trump and then turn around and cry that their insulin and other meds are suddenly too expensive again. Lots of stuff like that. Normal people are very clearly not well served by Trump's politics. Yet they vote for him anyway and that's just stupid.
- grafmax 1y agoPlenty of layoffs and offshoring have occurred under Democratic administrations as well. Both parties serve the wealthy against the working class. One is indeed more brazen about it however.
- dijit 1y agoWe are, the whole western world is oblivious to this correlation. Even pointing it out like this will cause people to process it and move on as if it's not the common case.
- grafmax 1y agoI think most people don’t feel like they have much control over their world and resign themselves to it. This atomization is a central feature of the pseudo-stable system we live under. The antidote is solidarity and collective action. But that requires bravery to jump start because people only tend to turn to that when circumstances become truly bleak.
- rco8786 1y agoThey're not wrong. None of what GP said was widely reported anywhere.
- noja 1y agoThis would be illegal in other places.
- CamelCaseName 1y agoReally? Which other places?
- rco8786 1y agoExample of a place where this would be illegal?
- chasd00 1y agoI wouldn’t try to draw any conclusions from what Accenture does. The firm is grasping at straws now that they can no longer suckle at the taxpayer teat.
- NoNameHaveI 1y agoIf you are looking for offshore proof employment it is worth noting that defense contractors are scrambling to find qualified help. 3 conditions: 1. Work on site typically 100% because classified systems are not 'net connected. 2. No drug use. Not even THC, even if your state "legalized" it. Still illegal at the federal level. 3. No criminal history, at least in the last 10 years. 4. Must pass a FBI background check and clearance interview.
- theoreticalmal 1y agoWhere can I get involved in this?
- dgfitz 1y agoThere are a ton of govt. contractors in the DC/Baltimore area.
- viraptor 1y ago> 2. No drug use. Not even THC, even if your state "legalized" it. This is getting slowly released for a few years now: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/government-loosens-past-drug-rules-193634177.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/government-loosens-past-drug-...
- agentcoops 1y agoI don't disagree, but this has been the trend since the 1990s. This was the whole question of "globalization" and all the debates about NAFTA etc. The only anomaly was that people came to believe (in 2020? maybe even 2016...) that "globalization was over" and that now we saw the reverse trend. That seems to be leading people to now believe that this offshoring is something new, when the most likely interpretation is that it never went away. None of the above, however, begins to touch the question of whether AI has, is or will introduce an entirely new dynamic into the equation. I'm not sure myself of the answer to this question, but I believe it's a very important one and shouldn't be dismissed too quickly -- certainly not by the continued presence of an undeniable tendency of labor markets that has long been observed.
- ozim 1y agoSeems like you missed H1B visa rules change. They basically move all H1B from US to India not to deal with $100k per employee. Nothing changes just Indian guys move back to India and will be spending money there instead of sending some money there.
- DebtDeflation 1y agoLabor really is not fungible that way. On shore H1B Indians generally are higher skilled than offshore Indians, perform different roles at companies, and are paid more. Many of them could have chosen different careers than Tech and likely will if they move back to India.
- malfist 1y agoOr: instead of talented software engineers around the world being drawn to the US, they stay home and build deep talent pools in their home country or in the next non-US SV. In the long run the onshore/offshore becomes less and less about quality and cost tradeoffs. We're giving away our long term dominance of tech for xenophobia and the possibility of short term job growth
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- lisbbb 1y agoThomson Reuters has a beautiful campus somewhere in India while they closed down the main office in the US and sold the land. The once-thriving tech campus in the US is no more.