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This mindset existed well before reddit; hell, it existed well before the Internet. Some people simply show up at work solely to put food on the table, doing t

• rectang 1y ago
  The mindset exists because historically commercial entities have often been horrendously abusive to their workers. Dickens, anyone? The flip side is the terror of an entrepreneur seeing their enterprise struggle.
  • mythrwy 1y ago
    That is the antidote the toxic attitude. Go into business yourself for a bit and see the world from an entirely different angle. If you don't make it and come back to employment (most likely) you will be a much humbled and more enlightened person.
    • pixl97 1y ago
      I mean really no, and yes I've been on both sides. Owners have skin in the game. That's why when Musk says we should work 80+ hours a week he should be summarily ignored. He stands to gain billions while the rank and file stand to gain ulcers and an investor class that fights against them getting health insurance. The number of absolutely toxic business owners is insane.
      • Ferret7446 1y ago
        The number of absolutely toxic employees is also insane. Are businesses justified to treat employees as if all of them were that toxic? Should not employees then not treat their employers as if all of them are toxic?
        • rectang 1y ago
          I think it’s important to distinguish between human leadership and the capitalist entities they work within. I’ve worked for multiple small businesses, led by wonderful humans, which ran out of money. When those businesses went under, it tore their leaders apart to let workers go — but those leaders were still constrained in how the could act by economic realities. There are both leaders and workers who are too cynical about each other. But it makes sense to be guarded with every company, even if I think it’s debatable how best to act — and how we might dream of improving matters at the macroeconomic level.
      • mythrwy 1y ago
        I don't disagree about the number of absolutely toxic business owners and I've worked for a few of them. But there are some real bad employees too that don't understand how the world works. Maybe the toxic business owners should work in the coal mines for a bit?
    • hmcq6 1y ago
      You don't solve the problem by "humbling the workers". The solution is rewarding people when a company is successful and more importantly not punishing hard workers. Right now people are under the impression that slacking and working hard will be equally rewarded, because that is the truth. Hard workers also get laid off so that CEOs can make a few extra bucks.
• hyperadvanced 1y ago
  In some sense this is the standard gambit of wage labor. If you want people to act like they have skin in the game, then they must have that. Tech is notable as a field for incentivizing overperformance and mission-driven-ness.
  • pjmlp 1y ago
    Only in places with SV like culture. In many countries being a developer is a plain office job just like everything else, and everyone that doesn't want to move into management after reaching seniority is seen as a failure.
• Aurornis 1y ago
  Showing up to work and actually doing their job, even if it’s the minimum, would be an upgrade over the Reddit toxic mindset I was describing about. The problematic juniors show up to their jobs determined to be uncooperative, sow discontent among coworkers, stonewall progress in meetings, and think they’re just going to job-hop to the next company before the performance management catches up to them. They see the jobs or even the concept of working to live in general as a scam and feel like they’re winning some deep cultural war if they collect paychecks while making life difficult for their manager.
  • pydry 1y ago
    Who would've thought that decades of wage repression that fell especially badly on the young would lead to a surly and uncooperative workforce.
    • jdlshore 1y ago
      Programmers are incredibly well paid.
      • rangestransform 1y ago
        Just the existence of the Bay Area tech antitrust suit and the pittance of a settlement should tell you otherwise. Who knows how sky high developer salaries would be if those companies hadn’t conspired to lower salaries during such a strong and low-interest-rate economy.
      • lovich 1y ago
        A subset are paid incredibly well. For arbitrary lines im going to put that at 250k+/year in comp by year 2-3 of your career. Another large cohort is paid pretty well with salaries from 110k-150k by that same point who have effectively no negotiation power and are given “take it or leave it” deals with the only leverage being to find another job And even for the incredibly well paid ones, as the other commentator noted, there’s documented proof of organized wage suppression by the corporations
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