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>I don’t know how to stop political violence in America. "sad young terminally online men" is not an American thing it's a global phenomenon yet America has so

>I don’t know how to stop political violence in America. "sad young terminally online men" is not an American thing it's a global phenomenon yet America has something that most other countries don't. Simple as that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Maps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation... Not even mention this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_State...

ViscountPenguin 1y ago
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- stavros 1y ago
  Particularly the victim had decided this. I don't know if he thought he'd be a victim of gun violence, or if it was an instance of "gun violence for thee, but not for me", but democracy is all about the tyranny of the majority.
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    > I don't know if he thought he'd be a victim of gun violence This is exactly the problem with advocating for gun rights. If you can't think past the first-order consequences, you're not taking it seriously.
    - stavros 1y ago
      This is the problem with making any tradeoff. If you think only the benefits will apply to you, and the downsides to other people, you're being delusional.
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- shoobiedoo 1y ago
  I can agree with the original intent of the second amendment. But deliberately ignoring the most critical point of it is just insane: "well-regulated militia". People who are trained, share common values and understand the gravity of firing a weapon is kind of important. I don't think the founding fathers would see "You were born in America and are old enough? here ya go!" as what they intended.
  - ViscountPenguin 1y ago
    As a non-american, I've never really understood appeals to the beliefs of the founding fathers tbh. It should really be irrelevant what a bunch of long dead people think. It's your country, the corpses of the founding fathers don't have to live in it, so their interpretation of your legal doctrines (even if written by them) hardly seem relevant.
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    - biotinker 1y ago
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      - ViscountPenguin 1y ago
        I'm kind of mixed on this take. The country I come from (Australia) has a similar`ish racial makeup (about 70% white in Australia, vs about 63% in the USA), but I struggle to think of a similar set of values that ties us together. Notably, we also have significantly less political violence, so I don't think we're headed towards anarchy for a lack of one. On the other hand, I see similar arguments coming from neighbouring countries. Notably both Malaysia and Indonesia have strong civic mythos.
    - xphos 1y ago
      I think this is an easy position to state but difficult to hold and defend. Norms and traditions are important just look at America right now when the president decided the norms established by a bunch of dumb dead people don't matter. I think the position is easy to state because a lot of people of the past did horrible things in the context of the present. But they also at many different generations opposed horrible things when no one else did. What Thomas Jefferson said for example in the declaration of independence all Man are created equal mattered for the emancipation in 1865 and also mattered to woman 1920. The words of dead people shape a tremendous amount of law and norms that make the world better. The importantance incrementalism cannot be overstated nor can the infuration at that said incrementalism can be overstated, in the past and now. To say we don't care because we can't see the relevance is observational error. I'd be curious of your country of origin because I guarentee you have legacy members of culture that matter politically speaking. But there are also examples of mathematicians long dead that have had lasting effect on things we still teach today. They are founders of a different field of sorts.
ryandrake 1y ago
We keep repeating ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens[1] over and over... 1: https://theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1848971668/ https://theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation...
tolerance 1y ago
Political violence is an American pastime. I don’t think undoing this tradition is as simple as you allege.

ViscountPenguin 1y ago

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stavros 1y ago
Particularly the victim had decided this. I don't know if he thought he'd be a victim of gun violence, or if it was an instance of "gun violence for thee, but not for me", but democracy is all about the tyranny of the majority.
- bigyabai 1y ago
  > I don't know if he thought he'd be a victim of gun violence This is exactly the problem with advocating for gun rights. If you can't think past the first-order consequences, you're not taking it seriously.
  - stavros 1y ago
    This is the problem with making any tradeoff. If you think only the benefits will apply to you, and the downsides to other people, you're being delusional.
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shoobiedoo 1y ago
I can agree with the original intent of the second amendment. But deliberately ignoring the most critical point of it is just insane: "well-regulated militia". People who are trained, share common values and understand the gravity of firing a weapon is kind of important. I don't think the founding fathers would see "You were born in America and are old enough? here ya go!" as what they intended.
- ViscountPenguin 1y ago
  As a non-american, I've never really understood appeals to the beliefs of the founding fathers tbh. It should really be irrelevant what a bunch of long dead people think. It's your country, the corpses of the founding fathers don't have to live in it, so their interpretation of your legal doctrines (even if written by them) hardly seem relevant.
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  - biotinker 1y ago
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    - ViscountPenguin 1y ago
      I'm kind of mixed on this take. The country I come from (Australia) has a similar`ish racial makeup (about 70% white in Australia, vs about 63% in the USA), but I struggle to think of a similar set of values that ties us together. Notably, we also have significantly less political violence, so I don't think we're headed towards anarchy for a lack of one. On the other hand, I see similar arguments coming from neighbouring countries. Notably both Malaysia and Indonesia have strong civic mythos.
  - xphos 1y ago
    I think this is an easy position to state but difficult to hold and defend. Norms and traditions are important just look at America right now when the president decided the norms established by a bunch of dumb dead people don't matter. I think the position is easy to state because a lot of people of the past did horrible things in the context of the present. But they also at many different generations opposed horrible things when no one else did. What Thomas Jefferson said for example in the declaration of independence all Man are created equal mattered for the emancipation in 1865 and also mattered to woman 1920. The words of dead people shape a tremendous amount of law and norms that make the world better. The importantance incrementalism cannot be overstated nor can the infuration at that said incrementalism can be overstated, in the past and now. To say we don't care because we can't see the relevance is observational error. I'd be curious of your country of origin because I guarentee you have legacy members of culture that matter politically speaking. But there are also examples of mathematicians long dead that have had lasting effect on things we still teach today. They are founders of a different field of sorts.

ryandrake 1y ago

We keep repeating ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens[1] over and over... 1: https://theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1848971668/ https://theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation...

tolerance 1y ago

Political violence is an American pastime. I don’t think undoing this tradition is as simple as you allege.