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Ehhh they are paying software developers a good deal more than they are worth in any other industry or country. You’re not going to convince me that $300k is u
by Legend2440 1y ago
Ehhh they are paying software developers a good deal more than they are worth in any other industry or country.
You’re not going to convince me that $300k is underpriced, that’s doctor/lawyer pay without having to spend 10 years in med school. Dev salaries are a bubble.
- lordnacho 1y agoA doctor can only see so many patients. A lawyer can only bill so many hours. A dev can make a product that a billion people use.
- oytis 1y agoCan they? Lots of well-paid devs were laid off in the recent years, where are the products with billions users they have made?
- lordnacho 1y agoNot every lottery ticket wins. But every one can.
- oytis 1y agoYeah, I mean, my comment can be read by billion people. But I don't think I deserve three figures for commenting, at least not until the comment has actually been read by billion people.
- fluoridation 1y agoPlenty of those developers did indeed work in projects with giant userbases. Layoffs are not about success or failure or how large the userbase is, they're about adjusting expenses and appeasing shareholders.
- oytis 1y agoYeah, I've seen really strong engineers being laid off. My point is that viewing software engineers as magic money cows is wrong, they don't make money by themselves - and those who do start their own companies and stop being software engineers.
- fluoridation 1y agoIt may not be "by themselves", but they're still a key component of the machine. Without the cows, you don't get any milk, no matter how many milkmen you have to sell it.
- oytis 1y agoYes, they are components in a machine, and if machine is generating N dollars per second, it doesn't mean that they are generating it. It's also perfectly reasonable to try to find components as cheaply as you can, and don't always go for highest-quality components if it doesn't have a significant effect on how machine is functioning.
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- tester756 1y agoWhat's wrong with it? That's foundational enabler of the software business growth - enoromous scaling potential.
- Bukhmanizer 1y agoCompared to the money that tech companies make, way underpriced. The reason that companies pay engineers more than in other industries/countries, is that in general companies in other industries/countries don’t make nearly as much as SV companies. The implicit contract goes as follows: You pay ~50,000 engineers around $400,000/year, and you essentially get a money printer and get to be one of the richest people in the world. Who wouldn’t take that trade? In general, you can’t do that in any other country or industry.
- oytis 1y agoBig Tech companies make money by extracting value from other parts of economy. Not only developers are normally not the ones creating that value, they are also not the only part of the mechanism that extracts it - sales, marketing and legal are at least as important
- Bukhmanizer 1y agoI strongly disagree. Big tech got to be big because they made better products than their competitors, at least initially. I don’t think google/Facebook even used to run ads in the early days.
- oytis 1y agoThey didn't run ads in the early days, they didn't make any money either
- Legend2440 1y agoBig tech doesn’t generally make money by selling software. They make money through monopoly effects on their social networks and ad platforms. They need some devs to build/maintain that platform of course, but devs are not as core to their business as they think they are. The monopoly status is the money printer.
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- cramsession 1y agoHow much does the CEO of a hospital make vs say Mark Zuckerberg?
- tester756 1y ago>You’re not going to convince me that $300k is underpriced, that’s doctor/lawyer pay without having to spend 10 years in med school. Dev salaries are a bubble. How many years of learning at home good developers needs?