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HN is such a negative and cynical place these days that it's just not worth it. I just don't have the patience to hear yet another anti-AI rant, or have someone

HN is such a negative and cynical place these days that it's just not worth it. I just don't have the patience to hear yet another anti-AI rant, or have someone who is ideologically opposed to AI nitpick its output. Like you, I've found AI to be a huge help for my work, and I'm happy to keep outcompeting the people who are too stubborn to approach it with an open mind.

catigula 1y ago
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- senordevnyc 1y ago
  OK. Well, I've been doing this the hard way for about twenty years, and now with AI in the mix my little solo SaaS has gone from nothing to $5k MRR in six weeks. Guess I'm not holding it completely wrong?
- scrollaway 1y ago
  You are making assumptions about someone you have never talked to in the past, and don't know anything about. Of the two of you, I know which one I'd bet on being "right". (Hint: It's the one talking about their own experience, not the one supplanting theirs onto someone else)
  - catigula 1y ago
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    - senordevnyc 1y ago
      We are reading very different "negative" comments here. Most of the anti-AI comments I see on HN are NOT a version of "the problem with AI is that it's so good it's going to replace me!"
    - scrollaway 1y ago
      > The difference is "negative" people can clearly see that it's on a trajectory in the NEAR, not even distant, future to completely eat your earnings, so they're not thrilled. We birthed a level of cognition out of silicon that nobody would imagine even just four years ago. Sorry, but some brogrammers being worried about making ends meet is making me laugh - it's all the same people who have been automating everyone else's jobs for the past two decades (and getting paid extremely fat salaries for it), and you're telling me now we're all supposed to be worried because it's going to affect our salaries? Come on. You think everyone who's "vibe coding" doesn't understand the pointlessness of 90% of codemonkey work? Hell, most smart engineers understood that pointlessness years ago. Most coders work on boring CRUD apps and REST APIs to make revenue go up 0.02%. And those that aren't, are probably working on ads. It's a fraction of a fraction that is at all working on interesting things. Personally, yeah, I saw it coming and instead of "accepting fate", I created an AI research lab. And I diversified the hell out of my skillset as well - started working way out of my comfort zone. If you want to keep up with changing times, start challenging.
    - int_19h 1y ago
      > Literally everyone in development is using AI. That's just... not true? There are many, many people who sincerely believe (sometimes from real experience, sometimes because they want it to be true) that AI absolutely cannot do whatever they are trying to do, and so they don't use it.
- rapind 1y ago
  > you can't see that you're an Ouroboros consuming your own tail and they can Hey, so if I DO see it, can I stop it from happening?
- dang 1y ago
  Please don't cross into personal attack, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. Also, please stop posting flamebait to HN generally. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - catigula 1y ago
    What is "flamebait"? Unpopular beliefs I genuinely hold? I looked it up and the definition seems to include being disingenuous, which I am not. Claiming I am is annoying and feels like it is a personal attack.
    - dang 1y ago
      It doesn't include being disingenuous. We can't know what your intent is (<-- I don't mean you personally, but any commenter, of course), and can only moderate based on effects, not intent: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=intent%20effects%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que....
      - catigula 1y ago
        Thanks
kelsey98765431 1y ago
all major nation state intelligence services have an incentive to spread negative sentiment and reduce developer adoption of ai technology as they race to catch up with the united states.
- deleted 1y ago
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emp17344 1y ago
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- scrollaway 1y ago
  GP is right, though. Many programming communities, including (in some threads, but not all) HN, have become ridiculous anti-AI bubbles - what's the point of trying to have a discussion if you're going to get systematically shut down by people whose entire premise is that they don't use it? It's like trying to explain color to the blind. What "discussion" do you want to have? Another round of "LLMs are terrible at embedded hardware programming ergo they're useless"? Maybe with a dash of "LLMs don't write bug-free software [but I do]" to close it off? The discussions that are at all advancing the state of the art are happening on forums that accept reality as a matter of fact, without people constantly trying to constantly pretend things because they're worried they'll lose their job if they don't.
  - red_rech 1y ago
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    - scrollaway 1y ago
      There's exactly ONE factual claim about AI in this entire subthread, and it is word-for-word "AI has been a huge help for my work". Now you may read that as .. checks notes "star trek post scarcity singularity", but forgive me, I didn't.
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  - emp17344 1y ago
    I think you’re overly sensitive to criticism of LLMs.
    - scrollaway 1y ago
la_fayette 1y ago
I think HN might be one of the few communities where people have been running extensive experiments with LLMs since their inception. Most here take a realistic view of their capabilities. There are certainly proven use cases where LLMs provide clear productivity gains—for example, copying an error message and retrieving potential solutions. At the same time, many recognize that marketing fantasies, such as the idea of having a "PhD in your pocket," are far beyond what this technology can deliver.
xenobeb 1y ago
To me, it really depends if the post is a well reasoned criticism with something unique to add to the conversation or the standard, completely pointless, anti-AI rant that I have already read a 1000 times.
sciencejerk 1y ago
5I think a lot of white-collar workers are on HN and th3y

catigula 1y ago

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senordevnyc 1y ago
OK. Well, I've been doing this the hard way for about twenty years, and now with AI in the mix my little solo SaaS has gone from nothing to $5k MRR in six weeks. Guess I'm not holding it completely wrong?
scrollaway 1y ago
You are making assumptions about someone you have never talked to in the past, and don't know anything about. Of the two of you, I know which one I'd bet on being "right". (Hint: It's the one talking about their own experience, not the one supplanting theirs onto someone else)
- catigula 1y ago
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  - senordevnyc 1y ago
    We are reading very different "negative" comments here. Most of the anti-AI comments I see on HN are NOT a version of "the problem with AI is that it's so good it's going to replace me!"
  - scrollaway 1y ago
    > The difference is "negative" people can clearly see that it's on a trajectory in the NEAR, not even distant, future to completely eat your earnings, so they're not thrilled. We birthed a level of cognition out of silicon that nobody would imagine even just four years ago. Sorry, but some brogrammers being worried about making ends meet is making me laugh - it's all the same people who have been automating everyone else's jobs for the past two decades (and getting paid extremely fat salaries for it), and you're telling me now we're all supposed to be worried because it's going to affect our salaries? Come on. You think everyone who's "vibe coding" doesn't understand the pointlessness of 90% of codemonkey work? Hell, most smart engineers understood that pointlessness years ago. Most coders work on boring CRUD apps and REST APIs to make revenue go up 0.02%. And those that aren't, are probably working on ads. It's a fraction of a fraction that is at all working on interesting things. Personally, yeah, I saw it coming and instead of "accepting fate", I created an AI research lab. And I diversified the hell out of my skillset as well - started working way out of my comfort zone. If you want to keep up with changing times, start challenging.
  - int_19h 1y ago
    > Literally everyone in development is using AI. That's just... not true? There are many, many people who sincerely believe (sometimes from real experience, sometimes because they want it to be true) that AI absolutely cannot do whatever they are trying to do, and so they don't use it.
rapind 1y ago
> you can't see that you're an Ouroboros consuming your own tail and they can Hey, so if I DO see it, can I stop it from happening?
dang 1y ago
Please don't cross into personal attack, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. Also, please stop posting flamebait to HN generally. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- catigula 1y ago
  What is "flamebait"? Unpopular beliefs I genuinely hold? I looked it up and the definition seems to include being disingenuous, which I am not. Claiming I am is annoying and feels like it is a personal attack.
  - dang 1y ago
    It doesn't include being disingenuous. We can't know what your intent is (<-- I don't mean you personally, but any commenter, of course), and can only moderate based on effects, not intent: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=intent%20effects%20by%3Adang&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que....
    - catigula 1y ago
      Thanks

kelsey98765431 1y ago

all major nation state intelligence services have an incentive to spread negative sentiment and reduce developer adoption of ai technology as they race to catch up with the united states.

deleted 1y ago
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emp17344 1y ago

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scrollaway 1y ago
GP is right, though. Many programming communities, including (in some threads, but not all) HN, have become ridiculous anti-AI bubbles - what's the point of trying to have a discussion if you're going to get systematically shut down by people whose entire premise is that they don't use it? It's like trying to explain color to the blind. What "discussion" do you want to have? Another round of "LLMs are terrible at embedded hardware programming ergo they're useless"? Maybe with a dash of "LLMs don't write bug-free software [but I do]" to close it off? The discussions that are at all advancing the state of the art are happening on forums that accept reality as a matter of fact, without people constantly trying to constantly pretend things because they're worried they'll lose their job if they don't.
- red_rech 1y ago
  [flagged]
  - scrollaway 1y ago
    There's exactly ONE factual claim about AI in this entire subthread, and it is word-for-word "AI has been a huge help for my work". Now you may read that as .. checks notes "star trek post scarcity singularity", but forgive me, I didn't.
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
- emp17344 1y ago
  I think you’re overly sensitive to criticism of LLMs.
  - scrollaway 1y ago

la_fayette 1y ago

I think HN might be one of the few communities where people have been running extensive experiments with LLMs since their inception. Most here take a realistic view of their capabilities. There are certainly proven use cases where LLMs provide clear productivity gains—for example, copying an error message and retrieving potential solutions. At the same time, many recognize that marketing fantasies, such as the idea of having a "PhD in your pocket," are far beyond what this technology can deliver.

xenobeb 1y ago

To me, it really depends if the post is a well reasoned criticism with something unique to add to the conversation or the standard, completely pointless, anti-AI rant that I have already read a 1000 times.

sciencejerk 1y ago

5I think a lot of white-collar workers are on HN and th3y