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Apple partner says new Maps app in iOS 6 is terrible
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- mattdw 14y agoA competitor of TomTom indicates that Apple is relying mostly on TomTom for mapping data, and says "they've chosen the weakest partner" and "their data is terrible." Not exactly a neutral source. Not that it's necessarily untrue; they might be gambling like they did with Siri, that the best way to get a service like this running well is to ship it and respond to real-world feedback.
- eyko 14y agoAs anyone who has tried the iOS6 betas can confirm, the maps are pretty bad. I've looked for directions to nearby towns and it will send me to another country. Searching for directions from my office to a friends house sent me to a point that didn't even have the town's name anywhere near it. And as far as I know, you can't search for public transport directions (at least in London a month ago), which was practically 60% of my maps usage. I had to either use google maps mobile web app or downgrade to iOS5. I did the latter.
- mattdw 14y agoAh interesting. I wonder if they had to part ways with Google a little before they were ready to?
- taligent 14y agoI don't understand this as mapping is an endlessly moving target. There is never going to be a perfect time to release it. The best Apple can do is make sure it is okay and then update it as frequently as possible. That's exactly what Google have done.
- ghshephard 14y ago"As anyone who has tried the iOS6 betas can confirm"... by violating their NDA and confirming issues with _beta_ software? I'm guessing, myself, that the Apple Maps are going to be crappy compared to google for at least a year, or two. And it's probably going to be half a decade before we see even rough parity on their routing (particularly walking/transit). But lets be critical about their released product and respect the Beta envelope until it's opened.
- guelo 14y agoNo, I'd rather we didn't all voluntarily self censor to benefit Apple's paranoid secretive marketing.
- kristofferR 14y agoThe final GM version has been out for over a week now, you don't sign an NDA if you download it from third party sources. The maps still sucks in the GM version.
- Bud 14y agoNot to be a stickler, but the map data comes from the server, not from the Maps app itself. Thus, even though you have the GM Maps app, you do not necessarily know whether the user experience will still suck on the final release day, tomorrow. They could push out some final massive improvement to the server data before then. :) (No, I have no special knowledge of this, and if I did I wouldn't say.) Full disclosure: I am biased. I worked on Apple's maps team, last year, so naturally I want the app to be good.
- kristofferR 14y agoWell, the reviewers have had access to the same data as I have and critized the map data quality - I doubt Apple would delay an update of their map data they have ready to launch just for the heck of it at the cost of a lot of negative commentary. The app itself is great, unfortunately the data quality isn't anywhere close to even the quality the iOS 5 Google Maps data. Apart from the obvious flaws like no street view or transit data, the pure data is not good too unfortunately. Let's hope Apple improves it fast, but I'm not too hopeful considering that Google has spent the last 7 years gathering data and improving their maps (and getting a lot of exclusive info submitted by their users).
- dan1234 14y agoApple are allowing apps, in iOS6, to declare that they can provide routing info so I don't thin it'll be too long before these gaps close themselves. http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/06/13/apple_hands_off_transit_directions_to_third_party_apps_in_ios_6_maps.html http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/06/13/apple_hands_off_tr...
- gman99 14y agoThis might work well in android where if one app (maps) hands over control to another (third party public transit info) -- the global back button will take you back to the first application when needed. iOS always seemed to be designed with monolithic apps that did everything and hence not require too much app switching to complete a certain task. (at least on the iPhone. On the iPad the four finger swipe makes this a moot point) But what iOS needs is for google to provide a replacement maps app and to register itself as the default maps handler (in effect stop the built in and useless-at-this-point-to-me maps application from ever launching) I guess I'll hold off judgement until I actually use it.
- dan1234 14y agoFrom the release notes: "Apps that offer routing information, such as turn-by-turn navigation services, can now register as a routing app and make those services available to the entire system" Makes me hope a 3rd party transit app will be able to provide routing information in a format the default maps app will be able to display. I would love Maps to be able to mash together the data from 2 or more routing apps in order to give me a complete journey!
- taligent 14y agoGoogle Maps ALWAYS send me to other countries so I am used to it. And in the two main Australian cities is not far off Google Maps. Definitely not bad or unusable in any way.
- brokenlogins 14y agoThe problem isn't merely bad directions. It simply DOESN'T WORK. The defectiveness of this application is so profound that it stands to embarrass Apple quite a bit. For example, see how the sign in the screen grab says "6.1 miles"? Well, that never changes. You can drive and drive all day, and that 6.1 will not decrement. And see how it says "for U.S. 101"? Well after you turn onto the 101, it will still say that. It never moves on to the next step of your trip. It also doesn't recalculate if you deviate from the route. It also lets you drive right off the map, and doesn't scroll to keep your position in view. Just incredible.
- nvmc 14y agoOff on a slight tangent here, but http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/04/tom-tom-gps-tracking.html http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/04/tom-tom-g... is interesting. Made me replace my GPS.
- alttag 14y agoFrom the article you linked: > The Dutch police use the information obtained "to put up > speed cameras and speed traps. I'm amused, as the Tomtom I just recently purchased purports to show the location of red light and speed cameras. It works both ways.
- heed 14y ago>A competitor of TomTom.. Was it Navteq/Nokia or Google? Because those are TomTom's only major competitors.
- jlarocco 14y agoGod forbid you click the article link and read 3 sentences. But then you wouldn't have time to make snarky comments, right?
- poutine 14y agoI've been using the beta to navigate around Vancouver for a month or so and it works quite well. Turn by turn with voice commands through bluetooth to my car is great. The Yelp integration is pretty useful too. Big thing that's missing is the street view, but not something I've used much in the past. Regardless of how it stands compared to standalone GPS units and Android it's a big improvement over the previous maps app.
- snogglethorpe 14y ago> Big thing that's missing is the street view, but not something I've used much in the past. I suspect that puts you in a tiny minority... Streetview is a huge deal. The lack of transit integration also pretty much makes Apple's maps a non-starter for me. I'm curious to see what they do in places like Tokyo, where public transit is used for a huge majority of trips, and the transit system is complicated enough that a good routing app is very useful. The iphone is very popular in Japan, so I'd think Apple would be somewhat reluctant to just give its customers the finger like that...
- w1ntermute 14y ago> The iphone is very popular in Japan, so I'd think Apple would be somewhat reluctant to just give its customers the finger like that... This is a potential goldmine for Android OEMs. The Japanese frequently buy new phones (more so than any other country, I believe), and if word gets out that the iPhone doesn't have public transit directions, they could easily make a lot of sales.
- taligent 14y agoThen again I've heard that the Japanese have this magical invention called an "app" which someone can install on their phone to add new functionality. I've even heard that there are some ones already for say the Tokyo subway.
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- mikeash 14y agoiOS 6 maps is a massive step backwards in an otherwise solid release. I'm looking forward to Google releasing their own maps app, assuming they do. For now, I'll get by with their web app.
- photoGrant 14y agoThe inability to easily use the public transportation option was the biggest issue for me.
- ryandvm 14y agoSorry, you guys are just not thinking differently enough.
- Steko 14y agoAnd by "partner" BGR of course actually meant "competitor".
- uxp 14y agoAnd by author, BGR meant Android Columnist: Dan joins the BGR team as the Android Editor, covering all things relating to Google’s premiere operating system
- wictorwictor 14y agoThe loss of transit directions is just critical. One of the most important features of my iPhone that I rely on every single day and they're ripping it out. I won't be upgrading to iOS 6 until they fix this.
- donohoe 14y agoI wouldn't mind so much if I at least know what trains were at a certain station in NYC. Its completely unhelpful.
- d4m0 14y agoI've been using the new Maps for a few months since it appeared in the first beta builds. I live in Sydney, Australia and the search struggles to find places. It's not so bad if you put in the entire address, but a search for a store or location regularly returns nothing. I've noticed that this has been improving lately. When it first came out a search for "Apple Store Chatswood" (2km from my work) would return stores in the USA. Now it returns the correct destination. It's still not a trustworthy source of directions and I regularly have to use Google Maps via the browser. So while this is very frustrating, I can see it improving so am not too worried long term. Mind you if Google Maps was an App in the Store I'd buy it asap.
- uptown 14y agoI've been disappointed with maps, but would be incredbily surprised if Google doesn't release a stand-alone iOS version of their maps app within days or weeks. Whether it will include turn-by-turn directions is an unanswered question in my mind, but it would at least solve public-transportation and street-view needs. I suppose you'd still be stuck using Apple's maps for any in-app mapping development unless you can work out a deal with another provider or roll your own OSM implementation.
- oldgregg 14y agoYou think? I don't see that much upside for google (do they really make that much money from ads inside maps?)... at the same time mapping is such a critical application I can see it having a dramatic effect in the iOS vs android wars.
- ryanhuff 14y agoI would guess that all of that data from iOS users would be worth the price of collection (releasing an app).
- uptown 14y agoThink of it this way. The more Google knows about its users, the better-positioned they are to make more money off of them. If they know a person travels to a certain part of the city/state/country/world they can use that information to serve more context-appropriate ads to that person elsewhere in the Google eco-system. There's tremendous value in location - I don't see them giving that up.
- 001sky 14y agoMaps now Google tracker ap
- stickfigure 14y agoI would be very surprised if the Google (search) website could share information like location with a hypothetical Google Maps app. And even if it could, I would expect Apple to shut down that avenue eventually.
- ghshephard 14y agoI'll be the one outlier and confess that, interestingly enough, particularly as someone who doesn't drive, that I've never used Google Maps for transit routing. I've visited Chicago, London, San Francisco - and extensively used mass transit in all these places - but it never occurred to me that I could use Google for routing instructions - I've always used the local Cal Train/Bart/Tube/El Apps that give me routing information and departure/arrival times. In hindsight, I feel a little foolish now that I've discovered that I could have done this with Google Maps (Ironic, given that I _do_ use Google Maps for cycling/walking directions) I guess that puts me as one of the few Mass Transit riders that won't be negatively impacted by the upgrade (downgrade?) to the iPhone 5.
- xanados 14y agoIn San Francisco the iOS 5 maps app doesn't have real-time schedule information on the buses, so it's not that useful except for the route itself.
- joejohnson 14y agoYeah, I've been using iOS 6 and the new Maps is fine. It's not perfect, I guess, but there were issues with the old, Google-based app as well. The thing about Apple is they iterate quickly on things like this, so I expect that the kinks with their map app (backend, dataset-related issues included) will be ironed out soon.
- brokenlogins 14y agoYou obviously didn't try to navigate a route.
- JumpCrisscross 14y agoI prefer the Yelp integration, which gives me reasonably reliable ratings, reviews, and hours, to Google's albeit larger dataset. The 3D buildings also pack a strong "wow" punch, though more how flying around satellite view on the first iPad did than in any practical sense. That said, the map "feel" is still clunky - I don't need 30th St, 31st St, 32nd St, 33rd St, etc. individually labelled and its iconography gets visually crowded.
- magicalist 14y ago> The thing about Apple is they iterate quickly on things like this do they? I don't doubt their ability to solve hard problems elegantly (if a problem happens to be one they want to solve), but I can't think of any strong parallels to this that would suggest that. Their other services seem to iterate on much the same time scales as their major app and OS releases (especially in the last 5 years).
- tortilla 14y agoYou can get walking directions in iOS 6 http://lifehacker.com/5943259/get-walking-directions-in-ios-6 http://lifehacker.com/5943259/get-walking-directions-in-ios-...
- halayli 14y agoSaid Dan Graziano... "Dan joins the BGR team as the Android Editor, covering all things relating to Google’s premiere operating system. ..."
- aneth4 14y agoI've been using Maps for many months as part of the developer program. They are not "terrible" but they are significantly worse than Google Maps. Let me count the ways: 1) "International" support is actually terrible. Whereas Google Maps has just about every road in Bastia (Corsica, France) accurately labeled, Apple Maps had almost none. 2) Search is not as reliable and sometimes comes up with obscure unrelated responses. 3) Several times I've been lead to the wrong spot in remote areas, either because of inaccurate addressing or slightly off road maps. 4) Public transit is not built in. I've pretty much stopped taking the bus. Hopefully third party providers will fill this gap. This is a great article on why Apple will have a hard time competing with Google Maps: http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/09/how-go.. http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/09/how-go.... Unfortunately, Google Maps on iPhone Safari is barely usable. On the plus side, Siri integration with spoken turn-by-turn directions is a huge improvement, and the lock screen has a nice heads-up nav display. Yelp integration is also a nice touch.