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So, no action necessary if bullying victims have no access to guns or are just “taking it?” Kind of a bizarre view. Almost as bizarre as viewing gun regulation

So, no action necessary if bullying victims have no access to guns or are just “taking it?” Kind of a bizarre view. Almost as bizarre as viewing gun regulation unthinkable, but I am not gonna talk about that. I grew up at a time where school principals had monopoly on violence at schools. I think it’s an improvement that we don’t accept school staff to beat kids anymore. But, whose brilliant idea was to accept that students will just bully each other and nothing can be done? I see many comments on this thread that just accept it. Why not accept all kinds of violence everywhere then? It’s impossible to prevent it so just let go of trying at all. Society has rules. Every institution has an authority figure. There are virtually no spaces without rules or an authority. Enforcement usually happens at varying degrees, from warnings to punishments. Back in the day beatings were warnings, punishments were suspensions and expulsions. We don’t want beatings, and if we are not resourced enough to rehabilitate, we have to aggressively suspend and expel. It really isn’t rocket science. We don’t owe bullies anything.

watwut 1y ago
School shooters being bullying victims striking back is a myth. It is a made up explanation that has little to do with who school shooters are and why they do what they do. Hint: they are more likely to be bullies themselves, as their aggression is raising prior the attack.
- 0dayz 1y ago
  There's plenty of evidence that show a good chunk of school shooters are or were bullied : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35058114/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35058114/
  - watwut 1y ago
    I used to read awful lot about them in a period of my life. > 76% posted disturbing content of guns and threatening messages. This is them provably being bullies as judged by their own social media accounts. > 60% reported being bullied in-person or online This is them claiming to be bullied at some point in their life. Elliot Roger claimed to be rejected by women while what happened was that he self isolated entirely for whole his life. This was similar to other guys - a person with track record of violence or threats feeling bullied by other people basically existing. Compare the two claims, really.
    - throaway1988 1y ago
      Elliot Rodger was also given a copy of “The Present” by his parents in response to his emotional distress, so i think it’s fair to look at his home as a place of emotional neglect, possibly bullying. edit: The Secret, not The Present
      - watwut 1y ago
        I dont know what you mean by "The present" here. They allowed him to homeschool and isolate himself, so they were enablers, I would agree with that. He does not report being bullied by them in his manifesto. He socialized basically exclusively online before going to the college.
- fumblebee 1y ago
  Curious! Can you share evidence to back up the claim that they are more likely to be bullies themselves?
  - watwut 1y ago
    I had period where I obsessively read too much about those cases. That was pattern I have seen. The first media usually contained such speculation, the later reports did not really confirmed it. What those contained were stories of other kids being attacked by them or afraid of them.
    - y0eswddl 1y ago
      "just trust me, bro" is an inadequate source or citation
      - watwut 1y ago
        Show me three whose lives show them being bullying victims striking back. Go to read a biography of pretty much any popular one and you find raising levels of aggression toward people around. I have yet to see a ONE that would be a bullying victim lashing back. Really, show me some that were primary bullying victims string back. Adam Lanza and Elliot Rogers had both mental health issues and family that allowed them to isolate themselves. Adam Lanza mom was reported to be afraid of him before the end and basically in abusive relationship with him (where he was the abusers) before being killed. In case of Nikolas Jacob Cruz, you see volatile boy threatening and attacking others including a girl that school assigned to tutor him. She stopped because he was bullying her. He WAS ostracized and lonely as a results ... but that is the kids avoiding the bully who mistreats them rather then him anything else. He had host of mental health problems for sure too.
rightbyte 1y ago
> Why not accept all kinds of violence everywhere then? It’s impossible to prevent it so just let go of trying at all. I guess you are writing that as some unreasonable position reduction ad absurdum? But people breaking down from not reaching some zero level goal is a problem. It is some sort of shooting the messenger. Black and white etc.
7bit 1y ago
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- ozozozd 1y ago
  Not sure if you replied to the right comment. If you think you did, would you mind pointing out what made you think I am pro-gun?

watwut 1y ago

School shooters being bullying victims striking back is a myth. It is a made up explanation that has little to do with who school shooters are and why they do what they do. Hint: they are more likely to be bullies themselves, as their aggression is raising prior the attack.

0dayz 1y ago
There's plenty of evidence that show a good chunk of school shooters are or were bullied : https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35058114/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35058114/
- watwut 1y ago
  I used to read awful lot about them in a period of my life. > 76% posted disturbing content of guns and threatening messages. This is them provably being bullies as judged by their own social media accounts. > 60% reported being bullied in-person or online This is them claiming to be bullied at some point in their life. Elliot Roger claimed to be rejected by women while what happened was that he self isolated entirely for whole his life. This was similar to other guys - a person with track record of violence or threats feeling bullied by other people basically existing. Compare the two claims, really.
  - throaway1988 1y ago
    Elliot Rodger was also given a copy of “The Present” by his parents in response to his emotional distress, so i think it’s fair to look at his home as a place of emotional neglect, possibly bullying. edit: The Secret, not The Present
    - watwut 1y ago
      I dont know what you mean by "The present" here. They allowed him to homeschool and isolate himself, so they were enablers, I would agree with that. He does not report being bullied by them in his manifesto. He socialized basically exclusively online before going to the college.
fumblebee 1y ago
Curious! Can you share evidence to back up the claim that they are more likely to be bullies themselves?
- watwut 1y ago
  I had period where I obsessively read too much about those cases. That was pattern I have seen. The first media usually contained such speculation, the later reports did not really confirmed it. What those contained were stories of other kids being attacked by them or afraid of them.
  - y0eswddl 1y ago
    "just trust me, bro" is an inadequate source or citation
    - watwut 1y ago
      Show me three whose lives show them being bullying victims striking back. Go to read a biography of pretty much any popular one and you find raising levels of aggression toward people around. I have yet to see a ONE that would be a bullying victim lashing back. Really, show me some that were primary bullying victims string back. Adam Lanza and Elliot Rogers had both mental health issues and family that allowed them to isolate themselves. Adam Lanza mom was reported to be afraid of him before the end and basically in abusive relationship with him (where he was the abusers) before being killed. In case of Nikolas Jacob Cruz, you see volatile boy threatening and attacking others including a girl that school assigned to tutor him. She stopped because he was bullying her. He WAS ostracized and lonely as a results ... but that is the kids avoiding the bully who mistreats them rather then him anything else. He had host of mental health problems for sure too.

rightbyte 1y ago

> Why not accept all kinds of violence everywhere then? It’s impossible to prevent it so just let go of trying at all. I guess you are writing that as some unreasonable position reduction ad absurdum? But people breaking down from not reaching some zero level goal is a problem. It is some sort of shooting the messenger. Black and white etc.

7bit 1y ago

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ozozozd 1y ago
Not sure if you replied to the right comment. If you think you did, would you mind pointing out what made you think I am pro-gun?