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Or, as Apple and Google may bet, the EU does not have the talent required to make a good smartphone without reliance on China, the US, or other unfavorable part

Or, as Apple and Google may bet, the EU does not have the talent required to make a good smartphone without reliance on China, the US, or other unfavorable parties, which defeat most advantages of supposedly local development. They are calling the EU's bluff, and it's possibly a smart business decision to do so.

sroussey 1y ago
Eh, plenty of Chinese companies very used to government regulation that would thrive in the EU and not be bothered by their (relatively lesser) regulations.
- gjsman-1000 1y ago
  It's not that China won't thrive in the EU; it's that from the EU's perspective, reliance on China may be even worse. Especially morally, considering China has no problem trading with Russia.
  - CafeRacer 1y ago
    As if europe has a lot of problems trading with russia. I mean, realistically, most of the loud words are just that.
- pembrook 1y ago
  I think you would be surprised to learn China has far less regulation than the EU. Part of this is China being a far more dynamic, high risk, Wild West-style capitalist system that’s communist only in very specific areas. The other part being, you don’t really have to write stuff down as much when you can just manipulate subjects of your authoritarian regime at will.
  - f33d5173 1y ago
    > The other part being, you don’t really have to write stuff down as much when you can just manipulate subjects of your authoritarian regime at will. That creates a web of implicit rules that need to be complied with just as much as if they were written down, while having the downside of unclear boundaries and exceptions. An environment with more rules, but with them written in ink and with lawyers that can be consulted to interpret them is preferable.
LunaSea 1y ago
Smartphones? Like Android, the OS based in Linus, a European OS? Or built by Nokia, a European firm that was bought by Microsoft?
- gjsman-1000 1y ago
  Linus Torvalds moved to Portland in 2004, and is now a US citizen.
  - jacquesm 1y ago
    Good for him. As a white, semi wealthy guy working for a US company (Transmeta) the move made good sense for him. But it does not in any way diminish the fact that Linux has EU roots, as does Nokia and that both of these hail originally from Finland.
  - LunaSea 1y ago
    Where was he educated again? And he's still Finish as well as far as I know.

sroussey 1y ago

Eh, plenty of Chinese companies very used to government regulation that would thrive in the EU and not be bothered by their (relatively lesser) regulations.

gjsman-1000 1y ago
It's not that China won't thrive in the EU; it's that from the EU's perspective, reliance on China may be even worse. Especially morally, considering China has no problem trading with Russia.
- CafeRacer 1y ago
  As if europe has a lot of problems trading with russia. I mean, realistically, most of the loud words are just that.
pembrook 1y ago
I think you would be surprised to learn China has far less regulation than the EU. Part of this is China being a far more dynamic, high risk, Wild West-style capitalist system that’s communist only in very specific areas. The other part being, you don’t really have to write stuff down as much when you can just manipulate subjects of your authoritarian regime at will.
- f33d5173 1y ago
  > The other part being, you don’t really have to write stuff down as much when you can just manipulate subjects of your authoritarian regime at will. That creates a web of implicit rules that need to be complied with just as much as if they were written down, while having the downside of unclear boundaries and exceptions. An environment with more rules, but with them written in ink and with lawyers that can be consulted to interpret them is preferable.

LunaSea 1y ago

Smartphones? Like Android, the OS based in Linus, a European OS? Or built by Nokia, a European firm that was bought by Microsoft?

gjsman-1000 1y ago
Linus Torvalds moved to Portland in 2004, and is now a US citizen.
- jacquesm 1y ago
  Good for him. As a white, semi wealthy guy working for a US company (Transmeta) the move made good sense for him. But it does not in any way diminish the fact that Linux has EU roots, as does Nokia and that both of these hail originally from Finland.
- LunaSea 1y ago
  Where was he educated again? And he's still Finish as well as far as I know.