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But they all basically come with AC and heating? At least in basically any semi-modern bus I've ever been in in Europe. No matter if it's -20 or +35 celsius, as

But they all basically come with AC and heating? At least in basically any semi-modern bus I've ever been in in Europe. No matter if it's -20 or +35 celsius, as long as they turn the AC actually on it's tolerable. And we also have some mountains here, so there's some buses for that (still stock from the factory)

lazyasciiart 1y ago
No, they certainly don’t all come with AC and heat.
- decimalenough 1y ago
  I haven't seen a non-AC bus in ages, even in developing countries.
  - jacobgkau 1y ago
    My public school buses in a decent Midwestern suburb had no AC cooling as recently as a decade ago (only heat, since heat comes free with an engine). I wouldn't expect them to have AC cooling today. Buses you pay directly to ride may be a bit different, but I'd also expect AC isn't ubiquitous in those, or wasn't until very recently.
    - fn-mote 1y ago
      They are exactly the same busses. I've never heard of a school bus with AC in the US. (Please, someone from Arizona correct me.)
  - hibikir 1y ago
    You'll find buses with no AC in northern Spain today. And it's not ancient ones, but ones running on natural gas: They option then without, making them a hazard in July and August. I've seen one specifically operated to take special needs children to their facility, where we'd argue with the company that the fact that they are special needs doesn't mean they don't feel the heat in the summer.
  - goalieca 1y ago
    In Vancouver the climate generally does not need them. Some days it gets hot and those suck.
  - dmbche 1y ago
    The vast majority of buses in Montreal, Canada do not have AC. Crack a window in the summer. Does have heat in the winter though.
  - inferiorhuman 1y ago
    It's been a while since I've been on Muni but most of their bus fleet did not have AC as of 2019.
  - 4MOAisgoodenuf 1y ago
    Busses without AC drive kids to school everyday out here in the American Midwest.
  - Symbiote 1y ago
    Buses in places like Ireland, Scotland, much of Scandinavia, etc will never need air conditioning. Places a little warmer (England, Denmark, Netherlands, northern Germany) might be warm enough for a few days per year, but the cost of purchase and maintenance of A/C might not be worthwhile.
    - crote 1y ago
      How many of those places have you been to? They might not need year-round A/C like some other countries, but the increasingly-common heat waves definitely require them. The buses are almost intolerable with air conditioning, there's no way in hell they'd ever purchase them without it. The additional purchase cost is a rounding error, and you're far worse off if cooking people alive during the summer means losing customers year-round as they switch to less-hostile transit options. Maintenance isn't a dealbreaker either: sure, it's extra work, but the equipment is rarely needed. This means the occasional breakage isn't a huge deal, and big maintenance can be deferred to the spring and fall.
      - Symbiote 1y ago
        I've been to all of them, and lived/live in two of them.
      - chithanh 1y ago
        Here in Germany many passengers are even against air conditioning in buses and open the windows in summer so the AC doesn't work. The windows often contain labels like "Fahrzeug klimatisiert" (Vehicle is air conditioned) so it is not that people are unaware.
      - circuit10 1y ago
        I live in the UK and most of our buses in my city don’t have air conditioning as far as I can tell since they usually have open windows, except some the very newest ones
  - Sayrus 1y ago
    https://www.ratp.fr/decouvrir/coulisses/au-quotidien/des-solutions-climatiques-adaptees-a-ses-differents-modes-de https://www.ratp.fr/decouvrir/coulisses/au-quotidien/des-sol... In 2020, 5% of bus in Paris had AC. In 2026, they aim for 75%. And a 100% rollout by 2035. Even subway lines don't all have AC.
- unethical_ban 1y ago
  The number of places in the US that will never need both at some point is vanishingly small.
rsynnott 1y ago
Irish buses don't have AC (rarely hot enough here to need it) and the electric ones only have heating adequate for about 0 degrees and up (rarely colder than that, though they're unpleasant when it is).
pas 1y ago
they should, also with air filters, noise and air quality are big issues, keeping windows closed would help a lot yes, it's expensive, yes, people's revealed presences indicate they don't care for these things, they rather give up QALYs than sitting hours every day in "rush hour traffic"

lazyasciiart 1y ago

No, they certainly don’t all come with AC and heat.

decimalenough 1y ago
I haven't seen a non-AC bus in ages, even in developing countries.
- jacobgkau 1y ago
  My public school buses in a decent Midwestern suburb had no AC cooling as recently as a decade ago (only heat, since heat comes free with an engine). I wouldn't expect them to have AC cooling today. Buses you pay directly to ride may be a bit different, but I'd also expect AC isn't ubiquitous in those, or wasn't until very recently.
  - fn-mote 1y ago
    They are exactly the same busses. I've never heard of a school bus with AC in the US. (Please, someone from Arizona correct me.)
- hibikir 1y ago
  You'll find buses with no AC in northern Spain today. And it's not ancient ones, but ones running on natural gas: They option then without, making them a hazard in July and August. I've seen one specifically operated to take special needs children to their facility, where we'd argue with the company that the fact that they are special needs doesn't mean they don't feel the heat in the summer.
- goalieca 1y ago
  In Vancouver the climate generally does not need them. Some days it gets hot and those suck.
- dmbche 1y ago
  The vast majority of buses in Montreal, Canada do not have AC. Crack a window in the summer. Does have heat in the winter though.
- inferiorhuman 1y ago
  It's been a while since I've been on Muni but most of their bus fleet did not have AC as of 2019.
- 4MOAisgoodenuf 1y ago
  Busses without AC drive kids to school everyday out here in the American Midwest.
- Symbiote 1y ago
  Buses in places like Ireland, Scotland, much of Scandinavia, etc will never need air conditioning. Places a little warmer (England, Denmark, Netherlands, northern Germany) might be warm enough for a few days per year, but the cost of purchase and maintenance of A/C might not be worthwhile.
  - crote 1y ago
    How many of those places have you been to? They might not need year-round A/C like some other countries, but the increasingly-common heat waves definitely require them. The buses are almost intolerable with air conditioning, there's no way in hell they'd ever purchase them without it. The additional purchase cost is a rounding error, and you're far worse off if cooking people alive during the summer means losing customers year-round as they switch to less-hostile transit options. Maintenance isn't a dealbreaker either: sure, it's extra work, but the equipment is rarely needed. This means the occasional breakage isn't a huge deal, and big maintenance can be deferred to the spring and fall.
    - Symbiote 1y ago
      I've been to all of them, and lived/live in two of them.
    - chithanh 1y ago
      Here in Germany many passengers are even against air conditioning in buses and open the windows in summer so the AC doesn't work. The windows often contain labels like "Fahrzeug klimatisiert" (Vehicle is air conditioned) so it is not that people are unaware.
    - circuit10 1y ago
      I live in the UK and most of our buses in my city don’t have air conditioning as far as I can tell since they usually have open windows, except some the very newest ones
- Sayrus 1y ago
  https://www.ratp.fr/decouvrir/coulisses/au-quotidien/des-solutions-climatiques-adaptees-a-ses-differents-modes-de https://www.ratp.fr/decouvrir/coulisses/au-quotidien/des-sol... In 2020, 5% of bus in Paris had AC. In 2026, they aim for 75%. And a 100% rollout by 2035. Even subway lines don't all have AC.
unethical_ban 1y ago
The number of places in the US that will never need both at some point is vanishingly small.

rsynnott 1y ago

Irish buses don't have AC (rarely hot enough here to need it) and the electric ones only have heating adequate for about 0 degrees and up (rarely colder than that, though they're unpleasant when it is).

pas 1y ago

they should, also with air filters, noise and air quality are big issues, keeping windows closed would help a lot yes, it's expensive, yes, people's revealed presences indicate they don't care for these things, they rather give up QALYs than sitting hours every day in "rush hour traffic"