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Before AI there was a general consensus that creative areas (eg. Cities) were becoming a homogenized experience. A Starbuckization if you will. I can’t help but

Before AI there was a general consensus that creative areas (eg. Cities) were becoming a homogenized experience. A Starbuckization if you will. I can’t help but wonder what gets lost when using tools like this.

jckahn 1y ago
Culture
cdrini 1y ago
It's unclear to me whether it will result in more homogeneity, as a result of prompts being a coarse medium that results in the AI choosing what it's seen to fill in the rest, or less homogeneity, as a result of more people with non-mainstream tastes being able to create music aligned with their niche that otherwise wouldn't exist due time/money restrictions. I think the latter seems a bit more likely, but time will tell.
- jsheard 1y ago
  There's not really any need to speculate when this has already played out in other mediums - would you say that the proliferation of LLMs has led to an explosion of novel and interesting works of fiction, or just an explosion of cookie-cutter slop ebooks?
  - cdrini 1y ago
    I would say too soon to tell. There has been an uptick in ebook slop, but I'm not sure if it's impacted the homogeneity of literature, because I don't think anyone is reading ai ebooks. It's not enough for it to exist to impact culture, it has to be being consumed. Music is a uniquely interesting case, since music has a much lower barrier of entry to consume.
    - sandoze 1y ago
      My thought to who you replied to exactly. Am I going to invest several days to read an AI slop novel? No. But I will take several minutes to read a blog post and likely have read many that were AI generated or assisted.
nick__m 1y ago
Since you get exactly the kind of music you want, I think it leads to extremely small bubbles, which is pretty much the opposite of homogeneity. For example, I had never heard epic power metal about birds, but with Suno I got exactly what I wanted. Sure, the sound quality (I only used v3.5) could be better and the songs could be longer, but I don’t care, I now have epic songs about my Bourke’s parakeet. However, I’m not pretentious enough to think those songs are interesting to anyone other than my wife and me, hence the smallness of the bubble.
- ares623 1y ago
  How will friendships be formed I wonder when everyone has their own version of their interests?
- uxcolumbo 1y ago
  This is an interesting perspective. Generating ‘content’ tailored to you and not meant for someone else’s taste. Human artists need to make money and those who create music for a tiny bubble probably can’t make enough. So as an artist what do you do? Do you have to create music with mass market appeal from the beginning? Or do you need to bank on luck that your music for ‘small bubbles’ gets discovered? Or you have to have clever marketing strategies to get your music in front of more ears to hopefully gain more fans. And create merch, tour etc. I wonder how all this AI music is going to impact indie artists. Spotify and the likes is just ripping them off and on top of that their music is / has been stolen from these AI data gobblers. I don’t see how at this stage it can replace human expression though (singing, playing violin, piano, etc) which is very nuanced. Same with acting… nuanced expressions that matter. I’m not sure AI can replicate the acting skills of Denise Gough (Dedra from Andor) for example… and many others. But it would be awesome to generate more story lines or episodes from your favourite TV shows, for example shows from over 20 years ago. Imagine being able to create more episodes of Star Trek TNG or DS9, maintaining the feel of that era without letting someone like Kurtzmann ruin and tell you how new Star Trek should be. But how do you ensure actors, writers and other creatives from that show will be compensated directly? Or maybe this will only be possible in a Star Trek like world, where profit uber alles is not the focus anymore.
_DeadFred_ 1y ago
If no one is creating new music/styles for the models to steal, you will only get remixes of what already exists. AI is an entropy machine, it sucks all of the energy/momentum out of everything it touches.
- cindyllm 1y ago
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jckahn 1y ago

Culture

cdrini 1y ago

It's unclear to me whether it will result in more homogeneity, as a result of prompts being a coarse medium that results in the AI choosing what it's seen to fill in the rest, or less homogeneity, as a result of more people with non-mainstream tastes being able to create music aligned with their niche that otherwise wouldn't exist due time/money restrictions. I think the latter seems a bit more likely, but time will tell.

jsheard 1y ago
There's not really any need to speculate when this has already played out in other mediums - would you say that the proliferation of LLMs has led to an explosion of novel and interesting works of fiction, or just an explosion of cookie-cutter slop ebooks?
- cdrini 1y ago
  I would say too soon to tell. There has been an uptick in ebook slop, but I'm not sure if it's impacted the homogeneity of literature, because I don't think anyone is reading ai ebooks. It's not enough for it to exist to impact culture, it has to be being consumed. Music is a uniquely interesting case, since music has a much lower barrier of entry to consume.
  - sandoze 1y ago
    My thought to who you replied to exactly. Am I going to invest several days to read an AI slop novel? No. But I will take several minutes to read a blog post and likely have read many that were AI generated or assisted.

nick__m 1y ago

Since you get exactly the kind of music you want, I think it leads to extremely small bubbles, which is pretty much the opposite of homogeneity. For example, I had never heard epic power metal about birds, but with Suno I got exactly what I wanted. Sure, the sound quality (I only used v3.5) could be better and the songs could be longer, but I don’t care, I now have epic songs about my Bourke’s parakeet. However, I’m not pretentious enough to think those songs are interesting to anyone other than my wife and me, hence the smallness of the bubble.

ares623 1y ago
How will friendships be formed I wonder when everyone has their own version of their interests?
uxcolumbo 1y ago
This is an interesting perspective. Generating ‘content’ tailored to you and not meant for someone else’s taste. Human artists need to make money and those who create music for a tiny bubble probably can’t make enough. So as an artist what do you do? Do you have to create music with mass market appeal from the beginning? Or do you need to bank on luck that your music for ‘small bubbles’ gets discovered? Or you have to have clever marketing strategies to get your music in front of more ears to hopefully gain more fans. And create merch, tour etc. I wonder how all this AI music is going to impact indie artists. Spotify and the likes is just ripping them off and on top of that their music is / has been stolen from these AI data gobblers. I don’t see how at this stage it can replace human expression though (singing, playing violin, piano, etc) which is very nuanced. Same with acting… nuanced expressions that matter. I’m not sure AI can replicate the acting skills of Denise Gough (Dedra from Andor) for example… and many others. But it would be awesome to generate more story lines or episodes from your favourite TV shows, for example shows from over 20 years ago. Imagine being able to create more episodes of Star Trek TNG or DS9, maintaining the feel of that era without letting someone like Kurtzmann ruin and tell you how new Star Trek should be. But how do you ensure actors, writers and other creatives from that show will be compensated directly? Or maybe this will only be possible in a Star Trek like world, where profit uber alles is not the focus anymore.

_DeadFred_ 1y ago

If no one is creating new music/styles for the models to steal, you will only get remixes of what already exists. AI is an entropy machine, it sucks all of the energy/momentum out of everything it touches.

cindyllm 1y ago
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