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I would speculate Republicans are wildly happier when "their team is 'winning'" and Democrats would have a boost in happiness with Democrats in power, but nowhe

I would speculate Republicans are wildly happier when "their team is 'winning'" and Democrats would have a boost in happiness with Democrats in power, but nowhere near the swing of Republicans. Democrats, IMO, are more aware of the *real* current and longterm problems the US faces while Republicans listen to whatever Republicans say the "problems" are - "problems" that are too often very outlandish and not based in reality.

brap 1y ago
I agree that both probably swing depending on who’ “winning”, although I bet that generally the Dems tend to be significantly less happy and therefore swing less, relatively.
raw_anon_1111 1y ago
As someone who leans left. I doubt too many Democrats were excited about Biden. He was just “not Trump”. People actually liked Obama and Clinton.
- jacobolus 1y ago
  Taking political constraints into account, the Biden Administration was just about the most successful and effective, in policy terms, of the past 50 years. Unfortunately the political landscape is pretty unfavorable, with GOP-supportive media, a GOP-aligned Supreme Court and super wealthy people, increasingly extremist state governments in many parts of the country, decades of corporate consolidation, weakening civic institutions, and an electorate that largely ignores the details. Biden himself was never a great orator and his public charisma suffered further with age, but as far as governing goes, he did a great job. Harris would also have been an excellent president. Unfortunately building and fixing things (or just keeping things working, negotiating compromises, and so on) takes a lot of time and effort, and doesn't make for great pithy slogans or rile people up.
  - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
    Exactly what did he do that had any long lasting impact? Obama had the ACA. Biden in fact was the worse Democratic President for not stepping aside early enough and letting the DNC have a real primary. It was sheer selfishness and ego. Results count - not excuses.
    - jacobolus 1y ago
      Biden came into office in the middle of a Covid crisis substantially caused by the previous administration (which he then was unfairly blamed for the effects of by people arguing in bad faith). During the first two years of Biden's presidency the Democrats had a tied 50–50 Senate (including 2 prima donna Senators who repeatedly undermined Democrats' legislative priorities) and a narrow House majority. During the second two years they had a 51–49 Senate majority and lost control of the House. They never had the votes for anything like the ACA. But within the very difficult constraints of a 50–50 Senate with no possibility of abolishing the filibuster (i.e. requiring 60 votes, and thus significant GOP support, to pass any legislation), the Dems were remarkably effective in 2021–2022, exceeding my expectations. If you want to see sweeping legislation, you have to elect a Congress that with enough votes to pass it. Blaming Biden for not having the votes is an expression of political cluelessness.
      - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
        Again what did he do? The Covid vaccine was created and approved before he was elected. You really think people were excited about Biden like Obama or Clinton?
        1659447091 1y ago
        > Again what did he do? Inflation Reduction Act [0][1] Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act [2][3] CHIPS and Science Act [4] He worked to use our tax dollars to spur re-investment in America. From factory construction and utility jobs to grid resilience and innovation. Not to mention that zero to few Republicans voted for these, yet they are the largest benefactors. Texas massive growth spurt in Green energy can thank Biden, but they won't even though they are happy to take the infrastructure investments and enjoy the cheaper energy and jobs. I'll just be happy if I dont have to deal with another Great Texas Freeze. Also, and even though, the coal mining communities didn't vote for him he made sure to single out investment specifically to coal communities "it announced $428 million in grants for 14 projects in coal communities, creating 1,900 jobs and leveraging $500 million in private investments." Those also include tax reform (to collect from super-rich tax evaders, expire the deep corporate tax cuts etc) and prescription drug reform to lower prices among other things like investing in green energy projects for low income communities. He brought investment back into this country without sucker punching our allies. Imo, that's what my tax dollars are for, for reinvestment back into building this country -- not to give rich business friends that donate meme coins to a family account extra large tax cuts or giving bonuses for rounding up brown people (including US citizens - google if you want links) and empower a federal immigration force to throw out any integrity and character they had before being told to make a spectacle. Anyway there is a lot in there is you care to read up on it. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act#Projected_impacts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act#Projec... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Investment_and_Jobs_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Investment_and_... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Investment_and_Jobs_Act#Macroeconomic_impact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Investment_and_... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act
gdulli 1y ago
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- abraxas 1y ago
  > Gay and trans people are not going back in the closet We do not know this and social progress can't be taken for granted. We've seen many countries regress rapidly when totalitarian regimes (especially theocracies) got their foothold in power. Directly (Iran) or by proximity (Poland). It's a naive story of the 90's that social progress is always upwards. Liberalism both social and economic is definitely on the back foot.
  - gdulli 1y ago
    In the short term progress doesn't look linear, but women can vote, can open credit cards without a husband, interracial marriage isn't going anywhere. Despite the current drama I do believe that in the long term today's culture wars will sound just as quaint.
    - monocasa 1y ago
      > interracial marriage isn't going anywhere The legal argument for in Loving v. Virginia was the same argument that was rejected when Roe v. Wade overturned in Dobbs. Thomas actually calls out the other major cases, basically asking for a chance to overturn those as well, specifically Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. He's not going to overturn Loving given that hes in an interracial marriage himself, but whoever replaces him when he finally retires might, and he would have done all of the work getting case law to that point.
pixelready 1y ago
I suspect the results would be skewed significantly by whether or not the questions asked seemed overtly political in nature. If you probe people in general quality of life measures and carefully avoid loaded language, you’d likely find both sides are suffering in the US in real terms due to cost of living and loneliness crises. These are trends that have been prevailing since at least the 80s and were accelerated by mass media and the Internet. But tribal loyalty is a powerful force, so as soon as the questions or questioner appears partisan in any way, people form ranks for “their side” and you’d be hard pressed to get an honest response, least of all one that reflects badly on their team at the helm.
throwmeaway222 1y ago
Can you give me a specific problem that is not based in reality that republicans discuss?
- the_gastropod 1y ago
  How about Haitian immigrants eating their neighbors' pets. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c77l28myezko https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c77l28myezko
- krapp 1y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_pr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_grooming_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_grooming_conspiracy_theo... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_theory_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_t... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_th... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italygate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italygate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspira... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_about_the_2024_Atlantic_hurricane_season https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_about_the_2024_...
- Jcampuzano2 1y ago
  Republicans routinely discuss: - Trans people being an issue. - Gun problems being an issue of the person holding the gun or gun related deaths being a necessary evil - evidence from practically every country on earth with strict gun rules shows otherwise. Less guns = less gun deaths full stop. - Climate change being fake, chemtrails, Geoengineering, weather manipulation. - Science, particularly medical research being fake. Covid vaccines being harmful, etc. - "The great replacement theory" - White genocide in countries around the world - Jan 6th not being an atrocity. - Ending non-existent wars. Among many others.

brap 1y ago

I agree that both probably swing depending on who’ “winning”, although I bet that generally the Dems tend to be significantly less happy and therefore swing less, relatively.

raw_anon_1111 1y ago

As someone who leans left. I doubt too many Democrats were excited about Biden. He was just “not Trump”. People actually liked Obama and Clinton.

jacobolus 1y ago
Taking political constraints into account, the Biden Administration was just about the most successful and effective, in policy terms, of the past 50 years. Unfortunately the political landscape is pretty unfavorable, with GOP-supportive media, a GOP-aligned Supreme Court and super wealthy people, increasingly extremist state governments in many parts of the country, decades of corporate consolidation, weakening civic institutions, and an electorate that largely ignores the details. Biden himself was never a great orator and his public charisma suffered further with age, but as far as governing goes, he did a great job. Harris would also have been an excellent president. Unfortunately building and fixing things (or just keeping things working, negotiating compromises, and so on) takes a lot of time and effort, and doesn't make for great pithy slogans or rile people up.
- raw_anon_1111 1y ago
  Exactly what did he do that had any long lasting impact? Obama had the ACA. Biden in fact was the worse Democratic President for not stepping aside early enough and letting the DNC have a real primary. It was sheer selfishness and ego. Results count - not excuses.
  - jacobolus 1y ago
    Biden came into office in the middle of a Covid crisis substantially caused by the previous administration (which he then was unfairly blamed for the effects of by people arguing in bad faith). During the first two years of Biden's presidency the Democrats had a tied 50–50 Senate (including 2 prima donna Senators who repeatedly undermined Democrats' legislative priorities) and a narrow House majority. During the second two years they had a 51–49 Senate majority and lost control of the House. They never had the votes for anything like the ACA. But within the very difficult constraints of a 50–50 Senate with no possibility of abolishing the filibuster (i.e. requiring 60 votes, and thus significant GOP support, to pass any legislation), the Dems were remarkably effective in 2021–2022, exceeding my expectations. If you want to see sweeping legislation, you have to elect a Congress that with enough votes to pass it. Blaming Biden for not having the votes is an expression of political cluelessness.
    - raw_anon_1111 1y ago
      Again what did he do? The Covid vaccine was created and approved before he was elected. You really think people were excited about Biden like Obama or Clinton?
      - 1659447091 1y ago
        > Again what did he do? Inflation Reduction Act [0][1] Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act [2][3] CHIPS and Science Act [4] He worked to use our tax dollars to spur re-investment in America. From factory construction and utility jobs to grid resilience and innovation. Not to mention that zero to few Republicans voted for these, yet they are the largest benefactors. Texas massive growth spurt in Green energy can thank Biden, but they won't even though they are happy to take the infrastructure investments and enjoy the cheaper energy and jobs. I'll just be happy if I dont have to deal with another Great Texas Freeze. Also, and even though, the coal mining communities didn't vote for him he made sure to single out investment specifically to coal communities "it announced $428 million in grants for 14 projects in coal communities, creating 1,900 jobs and leveraging $500 million in private investments." Those also include tax reform (to collect from super-rich tax evaders, expire the deep corporate tax cuts etc) and prescription drug reform to lower prices among other things like investing in green energy projects for low income communities. He brought investment back into this country without sucker punching our allies. Imo, that's what my tax dollars are for, for reinvestment back into building this country -- not to give rich business friends that donate meme coins to a family account extra large tax cuts or giving bonuses for rounding up brown people (including US citizens - google if you want links) and empower a federal immigration force to throw out any integrity and character they had before being told to make a spectacle. Anyway there is a lot in there is you care to read up on it. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act#Projected_impacts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_Reduction_Act#Projec... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Investment_and_Jobs_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Investment_and_... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Investment_and_Jobs_Act#Macroeconomic_impact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Investment_and_... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHIPS_and_Science_Act

gdulli 1y ago

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abraxas 1y ago
> Gay and trans people are not going back in the closet We do not know this and social progress can't be taken for granted. We've seen many countries regress rapidly when totalitarian regimes (especially theocracies) got their foothold in power. Directly (Iran) or by proximity (Poland). It's a naive story of the 90's that social progress is always upwards. Liberalism both social and economic is definitely on the back foot.
- gdulli 1y ago
  In the short term progress doesn't look linear, but women can vote, can open credit cards without a husband, interracial marriage isn't going anywhere. Despite the current drama I do believe that in the long term today's culture wars will sound just as quaint.
  - monocasa 1y ago
    > interracial marriage isn't going anywhere The legal argument for in Loving v. Virginia was the same argument that was rejected when Roe v. Wade overturned in Dobbs. Thomas actually calls out the other major cases, basically asking for a chance to overturn those as well, specifically Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell. He's not going to overturn Loving given that hes in an interracial marriage himself, but whoever replaces him when he finally retires might, and he would have done all of the work getting case law to that point.

pixelready 1y ago

I suspect the results would be skewed significantly by whether or not the questions asked seemed overtly political in nature. If you probe people in general quality of life measures and carefully avoid loaded language, you’d likely find both sides are suffering in the US in real terms due to cost of living and loneliness crises. These are trends that have been prevailing since at least the 80s and were accelerated by mass media and the Internet. But tribal loyalty is a powerful force, so as soon as the questions or questioner appears partisan in any way, people form ranks for “their side” and you’d be hard pressed to get an honest response, least of all one that reflects badly on their team at the helm.

throwmeaway222 1y ago

Can you give me a specific problem that is not based in reality that republicans discuss?

the_gastropod 1y ago
How about Haitian immigrants eating their neighbors' pets. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c77l28myezko https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c77l28myezko
krapp 1y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_pr... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_grooming_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_grooming_conspiracy_theo... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_theory_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Replacement_conspiracy_t... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_th... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italygate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italygate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attempts_to_overturn_the_2020_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_misinformation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspira... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_about_the_2024_Atlantic_hurricane_season https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation_about_the_2024_...
Jcampuzano2 1y ago
Republicans routinely discuss: - Trans people being an issue. - Gun problems being an issue of the person holding the gun or gun related deaths being a necessary evil - evidence from practically every country on earth with strict gun rules shows otherwise. Less guns = less gun deaths full stop. - Climate change being fake, chemtrails, Geoengineering, weather manipulation. - Science, particularly medical research being fake. Covid vaccines being harmful, etc. - "The great replacement theory" - White genocide in countries around the world - Jan 6th not being an atrocity. - Ending non-existent wars. Among many others.