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I realized long ago that full unattended self driving requires AGI. I think Elon finally figured that out. So now LLMs are going to evolve into AGI any moment.

I realized long ago that full unattended self driving requires AGI. I think Elon finally figured that out. So now LLMs are going to evolve into AGI any moment. Um no. Tesla (and others) have effectively been working on AGI for 10 years with no luck

tekno45 1y ago
So waymo has AGI?
- gf000 1y ago
  They deliberately (and smartly) set their working limits to what they can solve - known city, always decent weather conditions. And they still added a way for a remote operator to solve certain situations. So no, they don't have AGI and there is a lot to reach "working under every condition everywhere" levels of self-driving.
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bsder 1y ago
> I realized long ago that full unattended self driving requires AGI. Not even close. The vast majority of people have a small number of local routes completely memorized and do station keeping in between on the big freeways. You can see this when signage changes on some local route and absolute chaos ensues until all the locals re-memorize the route. Once Waymo has memorized all those local routes (admittedly a big task), it's done.
zulban 1y ago
> I realized long ago that full unattended self driving requires AGI. Yikes. I recommend you take some introductory courses on AI and theory of computation.
- GOD_Over_Djinn 1y ago
  You should either elaborate on your argument, or at least provide further reading that clarifies your point of contention. This kind of low effort nerd-sniping contributes nothing.
  - jeremyjh 1y ago
    GP's statement is completely unsupported, the burden is on them.
    - gf000 1y ago
      It's commonly brought up saying, and I don't think it's too far from the truth. Driving under every condition requires a very deep level of understanding of the word. Sure, you can get to like 60% by a simple robot vacuum logic, and to like 90% with what e.g. Waymo does. But the remaining 10% is crazy complex. What about a plastic bag floating around on a highway? The car can see it, but is it an obstacle to avoid? Should it slam the brakes? And there are a bunch of other extreme examples (what about a hilly road on a Greek island where people just honk to notify the other side that they are coming, without seeing them?)
  - zulban 1y ago
    Responding to ridiculous uncited wild comments doesn't require a phd thesis paper, my friend.
- dboreham 1y ago
  That comment isn't going to age well.
nutjob2 1y ago
> I realized long ago that full unattended self driving requires AGI. You can do 99% of it without AGI, but you do need it for the last 1%. Unfortunately, the same is true for AGI.

tekno45 1y ago

So waymo has AGI?

gf000 1y ago
They deliberately (and smartly) set their working limits to what they can solve - known city, always decent weather conditions. And they still added a way for a remote operator to solve certain situations. So no, they don't have AGI and there is a lot to reach "working under every condition everywhere" levels of self-driving.

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bsder 1y ago

> I realized long ago that full unattended self driving requires AGI. Not even close. The vast majority of people have a small number of local routes completely memorized and do station keeping in between on the big freeways. You can see this when signage changes on some local route and absolute chaos ensues until all the locals re-memorize the route. Once Waymo has memorized all those local routes (admittedly a big task), it's done.

zulban 1y ago

> I realized long ago that full unattended self driving requires AGI. Yikes. I recommend you take some introductory courses on AI and theory of computation.

GOD_Over_Djinn 1y ago
You should either elaborate on your argument, or at least provide further reading that clarifies your point of contention. This kind of low effort nerd-sniping contributes nothing.
- jeremyjh 1y ago
  GP's statement is completely unsupported, the burden is on them.
  - gf000 1y ago
    It's commonly brought up saying, and I don't think it's too far from the truth. Driving under every condition requires a very deep level of understanding of the word. Sure, you can get to like 60% by a simple robot vacuum logic, and to like 90% with what e.g. Waymo does. But the remaining 10% is crazy complex. What about a plastic bag floating around on a highway? The car can see it, but is it an obstacle to avoid? Should it slam the brakes? And there are a bunch of other extreme examples (what about a hilly road on a Greek island where people just honk to notify the other side that they are coming, without seeing them?)
- zulban 1y ago
  Responding to ridiculous uncited wild comments doesn't require a phd thesis paper, my friend.
dboreham 1y ago
That comment isn't going to age well.

nutjob2 1y ago

> I realized long ago that full unattended self driving requires AGI. You can do 99% of it without AGI, but you do need it for the last 1%. Unfortunately, the same is true for AGI.