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Not on Apple devices. It just leads to missing features.

by frizlab 1y ago

general1465 1y ago
That sounds like Apple's problem.
- frizlab 1y ago
  It is a lot my problem, because I actually do want those features… I could not care less about interoperability or whatever the current trend of regulation tries to “fix,” I want the features, period.
  - general1465 1y ago
    Apple made a decision to shoot itself in the foot and you are a collateral damage. Competitors are shipping those features without an issue. So it seems like the problem is not with regulations.
    - frizlab 1y ago
      > Competitors are shipping those features without an issue. Actually not the ones I care about (for instance idgaf about live translation). > Apple made a decision to shoot itself in the foot and you are a collateral damage. Also not really true. Apple has always been straightforward about what they were doing, and suddenly the EU decided it was not good. But I truly and wholeheartedly disagree, and I actively want iOS the way it was. Let the market decide! As long as they do not deceive the users it’s ok/good, even, IMHO.
      - troupo 1y ago
        > and suddenly the EU decided it was not good. There's nothing sudden. There were several years of discussions with the industry and all the involved parties, including developers (something Apple never does). On top of that all affected companies were given ample warnings and ample time to comply. Even now Apple decrees it will not comply because "users and developers porn safety" bullshit never once getting off its high horse. At the same time the EU literally asks for feedback: https://9to5mac.com/2025/09/18/european-union-app-store-rules-feedback/ https://9to5mac.com/2025/09/18/european-union-app-store-rule... > Let the market decide! How can the market decide when one of the duopoly players prevents others from competing? E.g. Pebble literally cannot compete with Apple Watch because Apple uses a completely unrelated product to cut them off from useful functionality https://ericmigi.com/blog/apple-restricts-pebble-from-being-awesome-with-iphones https://ericmigi.com/blog/apple-restricts-pebble-from-being-...

Not on Apple devices. It just leads to missing features.

general1465 1y ago

That sounds like Apple's problem.

frizlab 1y ago
It is a lot my problem, because I actually do want those features… I could not care less about interoperability or whatever the current trend of regulation tries to “fix,” I want the features, period.
- general1465 1y ago
  Apple made a decision to shoot itself in the foot and you are a collateral damage. Competitors are shipping those features without an issue. So it seems like the problem is not with regulations.
  - frizlab 1y ago
    > Competitors are shipping those features without an issue. Actually not the ones I care about (for instance idgaf about live translation). > Apple made a decision to shoot itself in the foot and you are a collateral damage. Also not really true. Apple has always been straightforward about what they were doing, and suddenly the EU decided it was not good. But I truly and wholeheartedly disagree, and I actively want iOS the way it was. Let the market decide! As long as they do not deceive the users it’s ok/good, even, IMHO.
    - troupo 1y ago
      > and suddenly the EU decided it was not good. There's nothing sudden. There were several years of discussions with the industry and all the involved parties, including developers (something Apple never does). On top of that all affected companies were given ample warnings and ample time to comply. Even now Apple decrees it will not comply because "users and developers porn safety" bullshit never once getting off its high horse. At the same time the EU literally asks for feedback: https://9to5mac.com/2025/09/18/european-union-app-store-rules-feedback/ https://9to5mac.com/2025/09/18/european-union-app-store-rule... > Let the market decide! How can the market decide when one of the duopoly players prevents others from competing? E.g. Pebble literally cannot compete with Apple Watch because Apple uses a completely unrelated product to cut them off from useful functionality https://ericmigi.com/blog/apple-restricts-pebble-from-being-awesome-with-iphones https://ericmigi.com/blog/apple-restricts-pebble-from-being-...