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Turkey taught Putin what should happen to his military airplanes that violate their airspace. Putin got the message very quickly. Europe should do the same ins

by shmerl 1y ago

Turkey taught Putin what should happen to his military airplanes that violate their airspace. Putin got the message very quickly. Europe should do the same instead of pretending Putin will understand any weaker response. TL;DR: shoot them down on sight.

trhway 1y ago
I'm kind of lost in my understanding when it comes to Europe. To me it is very illustrative how the Wirecard guy (son of a KGB agent and is currently residing in Russia) while having access to key intelligence information of Germany - by virtue of for example informants and other intelligence services payments going through Wirecard - at the same time was openly having "safaris" with the Wagner group in Syria.
Tankenstein 1y ago
A few additional points of context to consider: - The "Turkey taught Putin" narrative is kind of BS. The leader of Turkey imprisoned the pilot who shot down the Russian jet, essentially saying he acted on his own. Afterwards, Turkey bought Russian military equipment. This reaction is the opposite of sovereignty. - Speculation: Russia is looking to provoke Europe into responding. The thinking is to get Europe to focus on their own air defense, over assisting Ukraine. This is why the general, and correct, response in Europe is to keep calm and keep sending air defense equipment to Ukraine instead of freaking out. There of course are some lines where it is not possible to shrug it off, like recently in Poland, where the situation was so unsafe that we had to react with weapons. The most important element of Europe's security is that the Ukraine war does not end in a victory for Russia. Edit: Formatting
- monerozcash 1y ago
  > The leader of Turkey imprisoned the pilot who shot down the Russian jet The pilots were arrested almost a year later, a few days after a coup attempt they were allegedly involved in. Before that they were treated like heroes in Turkey.
- 1718627440 1y ago
  > Speculation ... That would be nice for Europe, but Putin openly stated that the goal is not to conquer whole Ukraine alone, but to restore the borders of the USSR in all its glory.
mamonster 1y ago
I like how people always forget to mention that the reason as to why the plane getting shot down never resulted in an "escalation" is that Putin immediately bombed Turkish troops and killed like 30 people, at which point they both basically agreed to sweep it under the rug.
Ylpertnodi 1y ago
Why are TL;DR's always at the end of a piece?

by shmerl 1y ago

trhway 1y ago

I'm kind of lost in my understanding when it comes to Europe. To me it is very illustrative how the Wirecard guy (son of a KGB agent and is currently residing in Russia) while having access to key intelligence information of Germany - by virtue of for example informants and other intelligence services payments going through Wirecard - at the same time was openly having "safaris" with the Wagner group in Syria.

Tankenstein 1y ago

A few additional points of context to consider: - The "Turkey taught Putin" narrative is kind of BS. The leader of Turkey imprisoned the pilot who shot down the Russian jet, essentially saying he acted on his own. Afterwards, Turkey bought Russian military equipment. This reaction is the opposite of sovereignty. - Speculation: Russia is looking to provoke Europe into responding. The thinking is to get Europe to focus on their own air defense, over assisting Ukraine. This is why the general, and correct, response in Europe is to keep calm and keep sending air defense equipment to Ukraine instead of freaking out. There of course are some lines where it is not possible to shrug it off, like recently in Poland, where the situation was so unsafe that we had to react with weapons. The most important element of Europe's security is that the Ukraine war does not end in a victory for Russia. Edit: Formatting

monerozcash 1y ago
> The leader of Turkey imprisoned the pilot who shot down the Russian jet The pilots were arrested almost a year later, a few days after a coup attempt they were allegedly involved in. Before that they were treated like heroes in Turkey.
1718627440 1y ago
> Speculation ... That would be nice for Europe, but Putin openly stated that the goal is not to conquer whole Ukraine alone, but to restore the borders of the USSR in all its glory.

mamonster 1y ago

I like how people always forget to mention that the reason as to why the plane getting shot down never resulted in an "escalation" is that Putin immediately bombed Turkish troops and killed like 30 people, at which point they both basically agreed to sweep it under the rug.

Ylpertnodi 1y ago

Why are TL;DR's always at the end of a piece?