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Denmark shuts multiple airports, more unidentified drones spotted

39 points by hallh 1y ago

elric 1y ago
So are these Russian drones? Or perhaps protests against their pushing of Chat Control?
- hallh 1y ago
  So far, the police have only confirmed that they are non-commercial drones. The Ministry of Defence is hosting a press conference about it shortly.
- trhway 1y ago
  Summit in Shanghai there Xi gave ok to probe and harass NATO, immediately 20 intelligence drones 100+ miles deep into Poland, 3 fighter jets 10 minutes into Estonia airspace. (Those actions already triggered kneejerk in NATO to give first priority to beefing up NATO countries' air defenses instead of supplying air-defense systems to Ukraine). Add to that cyberattack on the airports 3 days ago and now massive drones in European airports (when Russia has been for several months having its own airports periodically shut down by Ukranian drones and thus clearly understood such an action and how it can be used in a hybrid war and also how it can hint at capability to perform a "Pautina"(SpiderWeb) style operation against Europe) - what are the chances for the drones to not be Russian. And not forgetting cyberattack on the airports 3 days ago.
  - JPLeRouzic 1y ago
    > "Summit in Shanghai there Xi gave ok to probe and harass NATO" Please could you provide a pointer, as I have never heard such a thing.
    - trhway 1y ago
      There is no pointer. It is an opinion consensus held widely in some narrow analytical circles. In the open China clearly stated that it will not let Russia lose. China uses Russia as a ram and the war to keep NATO, and specifically US, busy in Europe.
      - vachina 1y ago
        Sounds like bs
        Tankenstein 1y ago
        While the motive is speculation - each event the poster pointed out happened. These are not normal events.
        leoh 1y ago
        Nailed it
        1718627440 1y ago
        Yet doesn't contradict public action and fits the state doctrines.
  - shmerl 1y ago
    Turkey taught Putin what should happen to his military airplanes that violate their airspace. Putin got the message very quickly. Europe should do the same instead of pretending Putin will understand any weaker response. TL;DR: shoot them down on sight.
    - trhway 1y ago
      I'm kind of lost in my understanding when it comes to Europe. To me it is very illustrative how the Wirecard guy (son of a KGB agent and is currently residing in Russia) while having access to key intelligence information of Germany - by virtue of for example informants and other intelligence services payments going through Wirecard - at the same time was openly having "safaris" with the Wagner group in Syria.
    - Tankenstein 1y ago
      A few additional points of context to consider: - The "Turkey taught Putin" narrative is kind of BS. The leader of Turkey imprisoned the pilot who shot down the Russian jet, essentially saying he acted on his own. Afterwards, Turkey bought Russian military equipment. This reaction is the opposite of sovereignty. - Speculation: Russia is looking to provoke Europe into responding. The thinking is to get Europe to focus on their own air defense, over assisting Ukraine. This is why the general, and correct, response in Europe is to keep calm and keep sending air defense equipment to Ukraine instead of freaking out. There of course are some lines where it is not possible to shrug it off, like recently in Poland, where the situation was so unsafe that we had to react with weapons. The most important element of Europe's security is that the Ukraine war does not end in a victory for Russia. Edit: Formatting
      - monerozcash 1y ago
        > The leader of Turkey imprisoned the pilot who shot down the Russian jet The pilots were arrested almost a year later, a few days after a coup attempt they were allegedly involved in. Before that they were treated like heroes in Turkey.
      - 1718627440 1y ago
- Ekaros 1y ago
  Could also be USA preparing for invasion of Greenland. You never known with terrorist nations...
4ndrewl 1y ago
I wouldn't rule out a mass panic-type event. A similar event which closed London's Gatwick airport (one of Europe's busiest) garnered no evidence and no serious lines of enquiry. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/01/the-mystery-of-the-gatwick-drone https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/01/the-mystery-... See also the recent closure of Heathrow Terminal 4 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5ypl5grg24t https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5ypl5grg24t
- Tankenstein 1y ago
  There's footage of this incident, footage of monday's Copenhagen incident, and there were arrests in Oslo on monday for another incident over Oslo.
  - demarq 1y ago
    Where
    - clan 1y ago
      In Oslo a 50 year old mand was arrested and his drone confiscated. Link: https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/seneste/drone-ved-oslo-lufthavn https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/seneste/drone-ved-oslo-lufthavn BREAKING now is additional drones over 4 other smaller Danish airports: Aalborg, Esbjerg og Sønderborg samt Flyvestation Skrydstrup. Link: https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/droner-set-over-koebenhavns-lufthavn https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/droner-set-over-koebenhavn... https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/overblik-droner-over-flere-danske-lufthavne-i-aalborg-lukkede-det-flytrafikken https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/overblik-droner-over-flere... (In Danish - Google Translate is your friend)
      - demarq 1y ago
        I was replying to claims of footage
  - ejolto 1y ago
    The arrest in Oslo were a married couple from Signapore in their 60s. The man was fined and 8000 NOK for admitting to flying the drone and might get deported. They were flying in central Oslo, and it seems unrelated to the drones in Denmark. There were also unconfirmed sightings of drones around the airport in Oslo. The director of police states that "It is still unclear what was observed. There are conflicting interpretations of the observations that were made".
matusp 1y ago
It is IMO only a matter of time before there is a significant deadly aviation incident involving a drone. The aviation industry is not built around the idea of anybody having this sort of ability.
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clan 1y ago
Drones spotted at 4 additional smaller airports in Denmark during the night. Still with lights on however. Link to Danish story: https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/overblik-droner-over-flere-danske-lufthavne-i-aalborg-lukkede-det-flytrafikken https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/overblik-droner-over-flere...
wartywhoa23 1y ago
People are the new oil, and its technological process dictates that there are valves to control its flows dynamically.
TheChaplain 1y ago
I believe this will call for much stricter drone laws, possibly having tracking and stronger license requirements.
- BostonFern 1y ago
  Officials have made announcements that tie the alleged drone sightings to “capable” (e.g., foreign state) actors. How would stricter laws address that? It’s also already illegal to fly drones above airports.
euroderf 1y ago
Denmark is talking about blocking the Baltic to commercial ship traffic that does not have Western insurance. (Read: Russian ghost fleet.) The Law of the Sea permits this when there is a clear environmental threat. (Oil spillages etc.) In parallel, some (Russian-controlled?) ships have been refusing Danish pilots for navigating the straits. So... maybe Vlad is playing Goodfellas. Like many other dirtbags.
instantnews 1y ago
Airport group are suffering a huge financial loss just with these tiny remotecontrolaircrafts. The government should restrict any commoners to own any of these 'military-grade' aircraft.

39 points by hallh 1y ago

elric 1y ago

So are these Russian drones? Or perhaps protests against their pushing of Chat Control?

hallh 1y ago
So far, the police have only confirmed that they are non-commercial drones. The Ministry of Defence is hosting a press conference about it shortly.
trhway 1y ago
Summit in Shanghai there Xi gave ok to probe and harass NATO, immediately 20 intelligence drones 100+ miles deep into Poland, 3 fighter jets 10 minutes into Estonia airspace. (Those actions already triggered kneejerk in NATO to give first priority to beefing up NATO countries' air defenses instead of supplying air-defense systems to Ukraine). Add to that cyberattack on the airports 3 days ago and now massive drones in European airports (when Russia has been for several months having its own airports periodically shut down by Ukranian drones and thus clearly understood such an action and how it can be used in a hybrid war and also how it can hint at capability to perform a "Pautina"(SpiderWeb) style operation against Europe) - what are the chances for the drones to not be Russian. And not forgetting cyberattack on the airports 3 days ago.
- JPLeRouzic 1y ago
  > "Summit in Shanghai there Xi gave ok to probe and harass NATO" Please could you provide a pointer, as I have never heard such a thing.
  - trhway 1y ago
    There is no pointer. It is an opinion consensus held widely in some narrow analytical circles. In the open China clearly stated that it will not let Russia lose. China uses Russia as a ram and the war to keep NATO, and specifically US, busy in Europe.
    - vachina 1y ago
      Sounds like bs
      - Tankenstein 1y ago
        While the motive is speculation - each event the poster pointed out happened. These are not normal events.
      - leoh 1y ago
        Nailed it
      - 1718627440 1y ago
        Yet doesn't contradict public action and fits the state doctrines.
- shmerl 1y ago
  Turkey taught Putin what should happen to his military airplanes that violate their airspace. Putin got the message very quickly. Europe should do the same instead of pretending Putin will understand any weaker response. TL;DR: shoot them down on sight.
  - trhway 1y ago
    I'm kind of lost in my understanding when it comes to Europe. To me it is very illustrative how the Wirecard guy (son of a KGB agent and is currently residing in Russia) while having access to key intelligence information of Germany - by virtue of for example informants and other intelligence services payments going through Wirecard - at the same time was openly having "safaris" with the Wagner group in Syria.
  - Tankenstein 1y ago
    A few additional points of context to consider: - The "Turkey taught Putin" narrative is kind of BS. The leader of Turkey imprisoned the pilot who shot down the Russian jet, essentially saying he acted on his own. Afterwards, Turkey bought Russian military equipment. This reaction is the opposite of sovereignty. - Speculation: Russia is looking to provoke Europe into responding. The thinking is to get Europe to focus on their own air defense, over assisting Ukraine. This is why the general, and correct, response in Europe is to keep calm and keep sending air defense equipment to Ukraine instead of freaking out. There of course are some lines where it is not possible to shrug it off, like recently in Poland, where the situation was so unsafe that we had to react with weapons. The most important element of Europe's security is that the Ukraine war does not end in a victory for Russia. Edit: Formatting
    - monerozcash 1y ago
      > The leader of Turkey imprisoned the pilot who shot down the Russian jet The pilots were arrested almost a year later, a few days after a coup attempt they were allegedly involved in. Before that they were treated like heroes in Turkey.
    - 1718627440 1y ago
Ekaros 1y ago
Could also be USA preparing for invasion of Greenland. You never known with terrorist nations...

4ndrewl 1y ago

I wouldn't rule out a mass panic-type event. A similar event which closed London's Gatwick airport (one of Europe's busiest) garnered no evidence and no serious lines of enquiry. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/01/the-mystery-of-the-gatwick-drone https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/01/the-mystery-... See also the recent closure of Heathrow Terminal 4 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5ypl5grg24t https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5ypl5grg24t

Tankenstein 1y ago
There's footage of this incident, footage of monday's Copenhagen incident, and there were arrests in Oslo on monday for another incident over Oslo.
- demarq 1y ago
  Where
  - clan 1y ago
    In Oslo a 50 year old mand was arrested and his drone confiscated. Link: https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/seneste/drone-ved-oslo-lufthavn https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/seneste/drone-ved-oslo-lufthavn BREAKING now is additional drones over 4 other smaller Danish airports: Aalborg, Esbjerg og Sønderborg samt Flyvestation Skrydstrup. Link: https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/droner-set-over-koebenhavns-lufthavn https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/droner-set-over-koebenhavn... https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/overblik-droner-over-flere-danske-lufthavne-i-aalborg-lukkede-det-flytrafikken https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/overblik-droner-over-flere... (In Danish - Google Translate is your friend)
    - demarq 1y ago
      I was replying to claims of footage
- ejolto 1y ago
  The arrest in Oslo were a married couple from Signapore in their 60s. The man was fined and 8000 NOK for admitting to flying the drone and might get deported. They were flying in central Oslo, and it seems unrelated to the drones in Denmark. There were also unconfirmed sightings of drones around the airport in Oslo. The director of police states that "It is still unclear what was observed. There are conflicting interpretations of the observations that were made".

matusp 1y ago

It is IMO only a matter of time before there is a significant deadly aviation incident involving a drone. The aviation industry is not built around the idea of anybody having this sort of ability.

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clan 1y ago

Drones spotted at 4 additional smaller airports in Denmark during the night. Still with lights on however. Link to Danish story: https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/overblik-droner-over-flere-danske-lufthavne-i-aalborg-lukkede-det-flytrafikken https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/overblik-droner-over-flere...

wartywhoa23 1y ago

People are the new oil, and its technological process dictates that there are valves to control its flows dynamically.

TheChaplain 1y ago

I believe this will call for much stricter drone laws, possibly having tracking and stronger license requirements.

BostonFern 1y ago
Officials have made announcements that tie the alleged drone sightings to “capable” (e.g., foreign state) actors. How would stricter laws address that? It’s also already illegal to fly drones above airports.

euroderf 1y ago

Denmark is talking about blocking the Baltic to commercial ship traffic that does not have Western insurance. (Read: Russian ghost fleet.) The Law of the Sea permits this when there is a clear environmental threat. (Oil spillages etc.) In parallel, some (Russian-controlled?) ships have been refusing Danish pilots for navigating the straits. So... maybe Vlad is playing Goodfellas. Like many other dirtbags.

instantnews 1y ago

Airport group are suffering a huge financial loss just with these tiny remotecontrolaircrafts. The government should restrict any commoners to own any of these 'military-grade' aircraft.