5 ms·

Any modicum of research will show how dangerous this is. Despite warning against addiction, sports betting websites engage in dark patterns because whales are w

Any modicum of research will show how dangerous this is. Despite warning against addiction, sports betting websites engage in dark patterns because whales are where the money is at. Your local bookie isn't engaging in AB testing to see how long before sending you free credit promotions will bring you back to their platform.

notyourwork 1y ago
Yes but your local bookie is also not sharing revenue with the state. This is purely another of funding states revenue at the cost of vulnerable.
notepad0x90 1y ago
So what? those malicious advertising practices should be illegal. not just for sports betting but for any website or business. Gambling is a person's natural right.
- deadbabe 1y ago
  In a capitalist system, gambling has a lot of negative externalities that go far beyond the individuals participating. It must be carefully controlled. In some countries like Monaco, citizens can’t gamble, but foreigners can do so freely.
  - notepad0x90 1y ago
    My position is that every country should do what Monaco is doing, except if a citizen want the foreigner treatment, they can abandon whatever social benefits that would be harmed by gambling and be allowed to gamble or partake in activities that harms themselves only. Many developed countries are struggling with birth rates for example. Should that be regulated? It is harming countries much more than gambling could ever have. The whole right-wing resurgence happening across western democracies is a direct consequence of lower birth rates demanding offshoring and immigration.
    - goosejuice 1y ago
      Yeah let's do some forced births!
      - Yeul 1y ago
        Reminds me of some proposals to pay people for having kids. The kind of folks who will take that offer are more likely to be terrible parents.
      - notepad0x90 1y ago
        Thanks for understanding the absurdity.
- TheDong 1y ago
  If gambling should be legal, then so surely should malicious advertising right? Predatory advertising, gambling, they both prey on people. Cards on the table, I think both advertising and gambling should be heavily controlled.
- thrance 1y ago
  Let's also legalize crack and heroin. Getting addicted to fent is a person's natural right.
  - notepad0x90 1y ago
    Yes, I sincerely agree. But the person that sells them the poison has to make sure they are of sound mind and fully understand the consequences. So long as a person is well informed and of sound mind, I don't see the problem. I'm even for putting their names in a registry so that they won't receive any social welfare benefits in the future if they go down that route. But outright jailing people, that's insane. Imagine eating something unhealthy and suddenly you're serving 25 years in prison for it. What is happening is only mildly less absurd.
    - thrance 1y ago
      Oppression is not the only alternative to legalization. Just because your country's policy on drug addiction is very misguided and does more harm than good doesn't mean the solution is to legalize everything. Anyway, my point, that you seem to have completely missed, is that some rules that Americans would reflexively dismiss with a thought-terminating cliche like "nanny state" are in fact necessary. You wouldn't want the road to be a free for all, would you? Well, I don't want psychological warfare to be legal and used to trick my neighbor into losing vast sums of money to online platforms. Poor, addicted citizens make the country worse for everyone. Also, "But the person that sells them the poison has to make sure they are of sound mind" made me laugh. When has it ever been in the business owner's interest to vet his clients? Legalize fent and in a year, half the superbowl ads will be selling you drugs in rainbowy attention-grabbing displays of decadence.
      - notepad0x90 1y ago
        False equivalencies. Roads are shared, gambling is not. psychological warfare is against the masses and is being done under deception against targets, gambling is not, and despite that, it is your neighbors problem,not yours in that example. The bit about poor addicted citizens (if it actually is the cause,instead of welfare and similar things), it sounds like your priority is improving the economy despite its effects on people's rights? > When has it ever been in the business owner's interest to vet his clients? When not doing so could mean serious consequences, like capital punishment or life in prison.
- fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
  Why is gambling your natural right, but advertising not mine?
  - notepad0x90 1y ago
    advertising is your right, so long as the venue of advertisement is owned by you or you get the owner's permission. What isn't your right is being deceptive and fraudulent with your advertising. It is just free speech otherwise. I'd say you have an even stronger right to advertise than to gamble, just not advertise deceptively.
tombert 1y ago
I have only ever bet on sports once (a fantasy football thing at work that I was required to join), and I was very lucky because I lost and had zero fun in the process. I don't like sports anyway, so the odds were never very high, but the fact that I didn't enjoy losing $50 made it so I've never had the temptation to do it again. I think about the alternate universe where I won and started betting more a lot; sort of a "there but for the grace of god go I" situation.
- arlcode 1y ago
  I'm the same. I am very very careful around activities and substances which could become addictive, because I know from benign life experiences that I sometimes lack the self control to stop. It would probably be fine but there are no upsides risking it. That and ever since my undergrad statistics class I hate the thought of playing games which are staked against me from the beginning. The thought of betting or gambling feels like voluntarily signing up to be swindeled.
- topkai22 1y ago
  I don’t like gambling, but I love sports. I will very occasionally engage in “emotional hedging”, where I bet AGAINST the team I want to win. If my beloved team wins, I’m ecstatic and don’t really care I lost $50. If they lose, well, at least I have $50.
  - renewiltord 1y ago
    I tried this but I'm also hopelessly superstitious so I could only do it once. But I think it was I who ruined Arsenal's chance to win the prem when Leicester took it
- oliwarner 1y ago
  In the UK I've seen lots of "first bet: win or your money back", or "make another bet free" sign-up deals. They're poorly disguised dopamine sharks. Well aside the organised criminal element that goes hand-in-hand with legal gambling, it destroys people's ability to make rational choices. But yes, I'm also lucky enough to have never won.

notyourwork 1y ago

Yes but your local bookie is also not sharing revenue with the state. This is purely another of funding states revenue at the cost of vulnerable.

notepad0x90 1y ago

So what? those malicious advertising practices should be illegal. not just for sports betting but for any website or business. Gambling is a person's natural right.

deadbabe 1y ago
In a capitalist system, gambling has a lot of negative externalities that go far beyond the individuals participating. It must be carefully controlled. In some countries like Monaco, citizens can’t gamble, but foreigners can do so freely.
- notepad0x90 1y ago
  My position is that every country should do what Monaco is doing, except if a citizen want the foreigner treatment, they can abandon whatever social benefits that would be harmed by gambling and be allowed to gamble or partake in activities that harms themselves only. Many developed countries are struggling with birth rates for example. Should that be regulated? It is harming countries much more than gambling could ever have. The whole right-wing resurgence happening across western democracies is a direct consequence of lower birth rates demanding offshoring and immigration.
  - goosejuice 1y ago
    Yeah let's do some forced births!
    - Yeul 1y ago
      Reminds me of some proposals to pay people for having kids. The kind of folks who will take that offer are more likely to be terrible parents.
    - notepad0x90 1y ago
      Thanks for understanding the absurdity.
TheDong 1y ago
If gambling should be legal, then so surely should malicious advertising right? Predatory advertising, gambling, they both prey on people. Cards on the table, I think both advertising and gambling should be heavily controlled.
thrance 1y ago
Let's also legalize crack and heroin. Getting addicted to fent is a person's natural right.
- notepad0x90 1y ago
  Yes, I sincerely agree. But the person that sells them the poison has to make sure they are of sound mind and fully understand the consequences. So long as a person is well informed and of sound mind, I don't see the problem. I'm even for putting their names in a registry so that they won't receive any social welfare benefits in the future if they go down that route. But outright jailing people, that's insane. Imagine eating something unhealthy and suddenly you're serving 25 years in prison for it. What is happening is only mildly less absurd.
  - thrance 1y ago
    Oppression is not the only alternative to legalization. Just because your country's policy on drug addiction is very misguided and does more harm than good doesn't mean the solution is to legalize everything. Anyway, my point, that you seem to have completely missed, is that some rules that Americans would reflexively dismiss with a thought-terminating cliche like "nanny state" are in fact necessary. You wouldn't want the road to be a free for all, would you? Well, I don't want psychological warfare to be legal and used to trick my neighbor into losing vast sums of money to online platforms. Poor, addicted citizens make the country worse for everyone. Also, "But the person that sells them the poison has to make sure they are of sound mind" made me laugh. When has it ever been in the business owner's interest to vet his clients? Legalize fent and in a year, half the superbowl ads will be selling you drugs in rainbowy attention-grabbing displays of decadence.
    - notepad0x90 1y ago
      False equivalencies. Roads are shared, gambling is not. psychological warfare is against the masses and is being done under deception against targets, gambling is not, and despite that, it is your neighbors problem,not yours in that example. The bit about poor addicted citizens (if it actually is the cause,instead of welfare and similar things), it sounds like your priority is improving the economy despite its effects on people's rights? > When has it ever been in the business owner's interest to vet his clients? When not doing so could mean serious consequences, like capital punishment or life in prison.
fkyoureadthedoc 1y ago
Why is gambling your natural right, but advertising not mine?
- notepad0x90 1y ago
  advertising is your right, so long as the venue of advertisement is owned by you or you get the owner's permission. What isn't your right is being deceptive and fraudulent with your advertising. It is just free speech otherwise. I'd say you have an even stronger right to advertise than to gamble, just not advertise deceptively.

tombert 1y ago

I have only ever bet on sports once (a fantasy football thing at work that I was required to join), and I was very lucky because I lost and had zero fun in the process. I don't like sports anyway, so the odds were never very high, but the fact that I didn't enjoy losing $50 made it so I've never had the temptation to do it again. I think about the alternate universe where I won and started betting more a lot; sort of a "there but for the grace of god go I" situation.

arlcode 1y ago
I'm the same. I am very very careful around activities and substances which could become addictive, because I know from benign life experiences that I sometimes lack the self control to stop. It would probably be fine but there are no upsides risking it. That and ever since my undergrad statistics class I hate the thought of playing games which are staked against me from the beginning. The thought of betting or gambling feels like voluntarily signing up to be swindeled.
topkai22 1y ago
I don’t like gambling, but I love sports. I will very occasionally engage in “emotional hedging”, where I bet AGAINST the team I want to win. If my beloved team wins, I’m ecstatic and don’t really care I lost $50. If they lose, well, at least I have $50.
- renewiltord 1y ago
  I tried this but I'm also hopelessly superstitious so I could only do it once. But I think it was I who ruined Arsenal's chance to win the prem when Leicester took it
oliwarner 1y ago
In the UK I've seen lots of "first bet: win or your money back", or "make another bet free" sign-up deals. They're poorly disguised dopamine sharks. Well aside the organised criminal element that goes hand-in-hand with legal gambling, it destroys people's ability to make rational choices. But yes, I'm also lucky enough to have never won.