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> Why has the Tor Project created a network used extensively for child sexual abuse Hottest take of the week right there. Why do they seem to imply that Tor w

> Why has the Tor Project created a network used extensively for child sexual abuse Hottest take of the week right there. Why do they seem to imply that Tor was somehow created explicitly with this purpose in mind? That's like saying only criminals use the Internet, just because it can be used to commit crimes. I think they are taking Tor's words and applying it to a much broader scope than they originally intended. > Tor Browser prevents someone watching your connection from knowing what websites you visit. If someone is watching only your connection as it exits your local ISP and nothing else, then yes, this is in fact true. It's just not articulated that plainly. But if the author actually went as far as they are trying to, they might as well tell people to just give up because there's a chance your attacker already controls the destination server you're talking to in the first place. If you're going to the trouble of trying to calculate the chances that nodes in the middle are compromised, why not include the destination itself too? > The small set of people that centrally control Tor software and centrally manage the Tor network have the power to act to stop this abuse without lessening their (weak) protections. Source: trust me bro > The world's standards for encrypting data are so secure that no one has enough money or time to brute force their way into properly encrypted data, not even governments. They are better off waiting for a scientific breakthrough that may never come. This completely disregards the possibility that any one of a number of root CAs aren't already compromised or cannot be coerced by your attacker. If you're going to claim tor is insecure, you might as well go all the way and say it's pointless to use anything at all, ever.

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nickdurfe 1y ago
> Why has the US created a highway system used extensively for causing death?
- ranger_danger 1y ago
  Reminds me of https://0x0.st/XJZT.jpg https://0x0.st/XJZT.jpg
bnl_umass 1y ago
My apologies. I don’t believe that was their intent to create a network for csam. But after decades of it being used extensively for csam, why would they take no corrective action?
- ranger_danger 1y ago
  Maybe because there isn't a known solution? CSAM is still distributed on the clearnet too... why isn't there a "solution" for that too? So far the only solutions people seem to have come up with is mass surveillance, and that's not an option.
  - bnl_umass 1y ago
    There is a known solution. Did you know that the Tor Project allows exit nodes to filter based on the clear internet IP. So filtering is ok. However, if a relay refuses to service an onion site directory look up, it will be banned by the Directory Authority. They could allow this today. But they don’t. That’s the simple solution. No surveillance. Not back door. No less privacy for everyone else. edit: This is easy to confirm. I’m not asking anyone to trust me.
    - ranger_danger 1y ago
      Exit nodes are not used for onion services. From https://onionservices.torproject.org/technology/properties/ https://onionservices.torproject.org/technology/properties/: > For the Tor network, Onion Services can alleviate the load on exit nodes, since it's connections don't need to reach the exits. Also: > Directory Authority. "These authorities are operated by trusted organizations or individuals with a strong commitment to the principles of privacy, security, and network neutrality." Emphasis on neutrality... it's not the job of network operators to police the sites people can and can't access, this is exactly why many people use Tor in the first place. > They could allow this today. But they don’t. Speaking for onion services... no, they cannot, because the entire design of the tor network prevents this in the first place. No relay in the circuit knows the final destination because it is encrypted multiple times (like an onion) and each hop can only see where it needs to go next, not what the destination is.

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nickdurfe 1y ago

> Why has the US created a highway system used extensively for causing death?

ranger_danger 1y ago
Reminds me of https://0x0.st/XJZT.jpg https://0x0.st/XJZT.jpg

bnl_umass 1y ago

My apologies. I don’t believe that was their intent to create a network for csam. But after decades of it being used extensively for csam, why would they take no corrective action?

ranger_danger 1y ago
Maybe because there isn't a known solution? CSAM is still distributed on the clearnet too... why isn't there a "solution" for that too? So far the only solutions people seem to have come up with is mass surveillance, and that's not an option.
- bnl_umass 1y ago
  There is a known solution. Did you know that the Tor Project allows exit nodes to filter based on the clear internet IP. So filtering is ok. However, if a relay refuses to service an onion site directory look up, it will be banned by the Directory Authority. They could allow this today. But they don’t. That’s the simple solution. No surveillance. Not back door. No less privacy for everyone else. edit: This is easy to confirm. I’m not asking anyone to trust me.
  - ranger_danger 1y ago
    Exit nodes are not used for onion services. From https://onionservices.torproject.org/technology/properties/ https://onionservices.torproject.org/technology/properties/: > For the Tor network, Onion Services can alleviate the load on exit nodes, since it's connections don't need to reach the exits. Also: > Directory Authority. "These authorities are operated by trusted organizations or individuals with a strong commitment to the principles of privacy, security, and network neutrality." Emphasis on neutrality... it's not the job of network operators to police the sites people can and can't access, this is exactly why many people use Tor in the first place. > They could allow this today. But they don’t. Speaking for onion services... no, they cannot, because the entire design of the tor network prevents this in the first place. No relay in the circuit knows the final destination because it is encrypted multiple times (like an onion) and each hop can only see where it needs to go next, not what the destination is.