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This read more like "we thought pc was a dead relic of the past" sadly

by qiine 1y ago

sidewndr46 1y ago
you could pretty much replace the statement with "General purpose computing considered harmful"
- qiine 1y ago
  or user 'having free will is problematic and unsafe' if we want to go even deeper :(
  - eimrine 1y ago
    What is the location of your free will in your body? Is it in brain or in quantum particles, or anywhere else?
- ethagnawl 1y ago
  > "General purpose computing considered harmful" Even though it sounds like _you_ probably know this, Cory Doctorow has been sounding this alarm for years. As usual, it seems he was right about the possibility of this being a legitimate battlefront in the (actual, non-hyperbolic) war on freedom.
amelius 1y ago
I think it's more that smartphones have built in security measures that prevent hacking. It already works for bank apps, so why not use it for government stuff too? It sucks, yes, but that's probably how these people think.
- dathinab 1y ago
  but if age verification is used for what it claims it is such hacking protections are not only unnecessary but fundamentally harmful (i.e. if a child hacks their PC it's fine if they circumvent age verification, the main responsibility still lies with parents and as such tools like parent controls are much more relevant) the main reason is that this is not a reference implementations or "this is the app everyone must use" case but a "to see what is technical possible/practical" "research/POV" project this also makes the "EU age verification app" title quite misleading
- littlestymaar 1y ago
  > I think it's more that smartphones have built in security measures that prevent hacking. Which is a joke when you know that most phones in the wild are using an obsolete OS version (most of the time due to lack of software support from the manufacturer, but sometimes because some people just refuse to update because updates are in fact downgrades — looking at you iOS).
ktosobcy 1y ago
Well, looking around I see more people using smartphones for anything and even not having a PC…
- mrweasel 1y ago
  I've seen this as well. It's getting increasingly normal, but I cannot imagine doing the same myself. There's a much bigger likelihood of me going back to a feature-phone, compared to me starting to use my phone for anything but the absolute basics.
  - Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
    I used to use a feature phone and I genuinely didn't miss any of the same things. my commute is a really long ride and I just don't like using my phone in it. My dumb phone had music system and sd card (I finally managed to have that sd card fixed after an year of using that dumbphone without even an sd card for music) I just used to stare into nothingness / surrounding and think. (Yes I have edited it because I didn't used to think, I used to overthink just as I am doing right now lol) Not that productive, but my current phone is so slow that I can't even tell you guys or start telling you. It takes me 1/2 a minute just to unlock it and the only thing its truly good at is having a music player run and some occasional hackernews or pokemon showdown or youtube scrolling. But tbh, I don't have any banking apps etc. so to me there isn't thaaat much of a difference. I feel like a macbook is genuinely nice as it has that less friction and a pc is great too as compared to a phone for the most part when I am at home. My screentime is usually just some shorts that I occassionaly watch on phone when I am extremelyyy bored. I am sad that my dumb phone was in my bag one day and then it just stopped (working??) , I swear I kinda regret having my dad's old phone. I am not sure how he was even using it.
  - ktosobcy 1y ago
    Same, but I also have other quirks and that doesn't mean this is TheTrueWay and everyone should adapt to it :)
- nozzlegear 1y ago
  Smartphones are a lot more portable than desktop PCs or even laptops. Unless you enter everyone's home to take an inventory of their devices, it stands to reason that you're going to see more smartphones than anything else by just looking around.
sjw987 1y ago
To me it reads that, since many people already believe this is more about tracking than safety, they are focusing on a device which is the perfect surveillance system, and which conveniently already accounts for 7+ hours of many peoples daily computer/internet interaction. A desktop computer doesn't necessarily have a microphone or camera, and doesn't necessarily have to be connected to the internet. I'd wager most crime, including that which affects children is done on "disconnected devices" in this sense.
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This read more like "we thought pc was a dead relic of the past" sadly

by qiine 1y ago

This read more like "we thought pc was a dead relic of the past" sadly

sidewndr46 1y ago

you could pretty much replace the statement with "General purpose computing considered harmful"

qiine 1y ago
or user 'having free will is problematic and unsafe' if we want to go even deeper :(
- eimrine 1y ago
  What is the location of your free will in your body? Is it in brain or in quantum particles, or anywhere else?
ethagnawl 1y ago
> "General purpose computing considered harmful" Even though it sounds like _you_ probably know this, Cory Doctorow has been sounding this alarm for years. As usual, it seems he was right about the possibility of this being a legitimate battlefront in the (actual, non-hyperbolic) war on freedom.

amelius 1y ago

I think it's more that smartphones have built in security measures that prevent hacking. It already works for bank apps, so why not use it for government stuff too? It sucks, yes, but that's probably how these people think.

dathinab 1y ago
but if age verification is used for what it claims it is such hacking protections are not only unnecessary but fundamentally harmful (i.e. if a child hacks their PC it's fine if they circumvent age verification, the main responsibility still lies with parents and as such tools like parent controls are much more relevant) the main reason is that this is not a reference implementations or "this is the app everyone must use" case but a "to see what is technical possible/practical" "research/POV" project this also makes the "EU age verification app" title quite misleading
littlestymaar 1y ago
> I think it's more that smartphones have built in security measures that prevent hacking. Which is a joke when you know that most phones in the wild are using an obsolete OS version (most of the time due to lack of software support from the manufacturer, but sometimes because some people just refuse to update because updates are in fact downgrades — looking at you iOS).

ktosobcy 1y ago

Well, looking around I see more people using smartphones for anything and even not having a PC…

mrweasel 1y ago
I've seen this as well. It's getting increasingly normal, but I cannot imagine doing the same myself. There's a much bigger likelihood of me going back to a feature-phone, compared to me starting to use my phone for anything but the absolute basics.
- Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
  I used to use a feature phone and I genuinely didn't miss any of the same things. my commute is a really long ride and I just don't like using my phone in it. My dumb phone had music system and sd card (I finally managed to have that sd card fixed after an year of using that dumbphone without even an sd card for music) I just used to stare into nothingness / surrounding and think. (Yes I have edited it because I didn't used to think, I used to overthink just as I am doing right now lol) Not that productive, but my current phone is so slow that I can't even tell you guys or start telling you. It takes me 1/2 a minute just to unlock it and the only thing its truly good at is having a music player run and some occasional hackernews or pokemon showdown or youtube scrolling. But tbh, I don't have any banking apps etc. so to me there isn't thaaat much of a difference. I feel like a macbook is genuinely nice as it has that less friction and a pc is great too as compared to a phone for the most part when I am at home. My screentime is usually just some shorts that I occassionaly watch on phone when I am extremelyyy bored. I am sad that my dumb phone was in my bag one day and then it just stopped (working??) , I swear I kinda regret having my dad's old phone. I am not sure how he was even using it.
- ktosobcy 1y ago
  Same, but I also have other quirks and that doesn't mean this is TheTrueWay and everyone should adapt to it :)
nozzlegear 1y ago
Smartphones are a lot more portable than desktop PCs or even laptops. Unless you enter everyone's home to take an inventory of their devices, it stands to reason that you're going to see more smartphones than anything else by just looking around.

sjw987 1y ago

To me it reads that, since many people already believe this is more about tracking than safety, they are focusing on a device which is the perfect surveillance system, and which conveniently already accounts for 7+ hours of many peoples daily computer/internet interaction. A desktop computer doesn't necessarily have a microphone or camera, and doesn't necessarily have to be connected to the internet. I'd wager most crime, including that which affects children is done on "disconnected devices" in this sense.

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