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Your idiosyncratic use of capital letters only adds to my skepticism.

by Y_Y 1y ago

noir_lord 1y ago
First video when I hit that YouTube link was Joe Rogan. Skeptic meter caught fire before I could get a reading.
- codr7 1y ago
  This is such a weird way to navigate life. Joe Rogan has interviewed plenty of people, different people that have very little in common, just because some of them have controversial views that make you nervous that doesn't mean all the information is useless.
  - afthonos 1y ago
    We are constantly bombarded by links to information. It is reasonable to make snap judgments about the quality of the information based on who is providing it. If I’m looking for accurate, factual information on a topic that is clearly prone to magical thinking, a provider whose reputation is to listen to anyone, including people who very much engage in magical thinking, is actually a very bad source. Because they will not filter on anything beyond “is this neat to listen to.”
  - Starman_Jones 1y ago
    You are correct. However, Joe Rogan should not be the first stop for assessing the scientific plausibility of a new idea. If that is where someone is sending you, that can- and should- be a red flag.
  - freejazz 1y ago
    I don't think it's the controversy of his guests so much as many of their unqualified ramblings that get treated as expertise. It's really obnoxious that it all gets put into political controversy when it's just often facially stupid BS.
    - codr7 1y ago
      And you're enough of an expert on all subjects to judge? Or are you rather shielding from whatever makes you think?
      - freejazz 1y ago
        The odd defensiveness of it wherever any criticism is labeled as some sort of philosophy against thinking. >And you're enough of an expert on all subjects to judge? Never claimed to be
      - saghm 1y ago
        This is like Gell-Man Amnesia, but for the YouTube age. If I can recognize a source is unreliable for my area of expertise, it's more strange to expect that I would trust it in other areas just because I don't have the expertise in that area to directly evaluate all of the claims
  - indoordin0saur 1y ago
    And to add to that he's interviewed just as many absolutely mainstream scientists whose ideas are not considered controversial
  - Terr_ 1y ago
    Nothing weird or new about it: Suppose the foremost source for Dr. Example's claims happens to be the one time they interviewed on Coast To Coast AM [0]. That tells you something about the media-landscape they seek—or have been stuck inside. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coast_to_Coast_AM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coast_to_Coast_AM
  - saghm 1y ago
    On the other hand, there's no shortage of information out there, so it's not particularly weird to filter out the sources you already have found to be unreliable rather than spend the time to try to listen to everything else they have to say
runlaszlorun 1y ago
I havent even RTFA to be fair but I like how often Bayesian heuristics like this turn out to be... Useful... If even not provably "true".
jamal-kumar 1y ago
Yeah he types weird and linked some generic YouTube search result that pops Joe Rogan up for some people, but there's some pretty interesting research along these lines that's becoming harder to dismiss as just Roger Penrose stepping way outta his field (I don't see people personally attacking Hameroff or Tuszynski for their roles in this research which always struck me as telling). I think it's more trying to zero in on how consciousness works from the perspective of trying to figure out how xenon administration in anesthesiology works to induce its effects. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXElfzVgg6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXElfzVgg6M https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jpcb.3c07936 https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jpcb.3c07936 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064522000197 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S157106452...

Your idiosyncratic use of capital letters only adds to my skepticism.

by Y_Y 1y ago

Your idiosyncratic use of capital letters only adds to my skepticism.

noir_lord 1y ago

First video when I hit that YouTube link was Joe Rogan. Skeptic meter caught fire before I could get a reading.

codr7 1y ago
This is such a weird way to navigate life. Joe Rogan has interviewed plenty of people, different people that have very little in common, just because some of them have controversial views that make you nervous that doesn't mean all the information is useless.
- afthonos 1y ago
  We are constantly bombarded by links to information. It is reasonable to make snap judgments about the quality of the information based on who is providing it. If I’m looking for accurate, factual information on a topic that is clearly prone to magical thinking, a provider whose reputation is to listen to anyone, including people who very much engage in magical thinking, is actually a very bad source. Because they will not filter on anything beyond “is this neat to listen to.”
- Starman_Jones 1y ago
  You are correct. However, Joe Rogan should not be the first stop for assessing the scientific plausibility of a new idea. If that is where someone is sending you, that can- and should- be a red flag.
- freejazz 1y ago
  I don't think it's the controversy of his guests so much as many of their unqualified ramblings that get treated as expertise. It's really obnoxious that it all gets put into political controversy when it's just often facially stupid BS.
  - codr7 1y ago
    And you're enough of an expert on all subjects to judge? Or are you rather shielding from whatever makes you think?
    - freejazz 1y ago
      The odd defensiveness of it wherever any criticism is labeled as some sort of philosophy against thinking. >And you're enough of an expert on all subjects to judge? Never claimed to be
    - saghm 1y ago
      This is like Gell-Man Amnesia, but for the YouTube age. If I can recognize a source is unreliable for my area of expertise, it's more strange to expect that I would trust it in other areas just because I don't have the expertise in that area to directly evaluate all of the claims
- indoordin0saur 1y ago
  And to add to that he's interviewed just as many absolutely mainstream scientists whose ideas are not considered controversial
- Terr_ 1y ago
  Nothing weird or new about it: Suppose the foremost source for Dr. Example's claims happens to be the one time they interviewed on Coast To Coast AM [0]. That tells you something about the media-landscape they seek—or have been stuck inside. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coast_to_Coast_AM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coast_to_Coast_AM
- saghm 1y ago
  On the other hand, there's no shortage of information out there, so it's not particularly weird to filter out the sources you already have found to be unreliable rather than spend the time to try to listen to everything else they have to say

runlaszlorun 1y ago

I havent even RTFA to be fair but I like how often Bayesian heuristics like this turn out to be... Useful... If even not provably "true".

jamal-kumar 1y ago

Yeah he types weird and linked some generic YouTube search result that pops Joe Rogan up for some people, but there's some pretty interesting research along these lines that's becoming harder to dismiss as just Roger Penrose stepping way outta his field (I don't see people personally attacking Hameroff or Tuszynski for their roles in this research which always struck me as telling). I think it's more trying to zero in on how consciousness works from the perspective of trying to figure out how xenon administration in anesthesiology works to induce its effects. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXElfzVgg6M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXElfzVgg6M https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jpcb.3c07936 https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jpcb.3c07936 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064522000197 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S157106452...