8 ms·

is there a name for the phenomenon where you get so tired of seeing someones face pop up over and over and over that you start to hate the person and despite th

by pyaamb 1y ago

is there a name for the phenomenon where you get so tired of seeing someones face pop up over and over and over that you start to hate the person and despite their good deeds feel no remorse for them when they end up in trouble?

smcl 1y ago
When it comes to people that wealthy, the money they're using for their "good deeds" are the bare minimum they think they need to get you off their case. So when you say "I don't think someone should be a billionaire, that means something has gone seriously wrong" they can point to how he filmed himself giving a homeless guy a house.
- jsheard 1y ago
  In the case of MrBeast it's not even really reputation laundering, he's just an algorithm goblin who iterated through different shticks until landing on giveaways and contests as the things which consistently brought in the most clicks. I don't think he was even that rich when he started doing them, as far as I can tell his first ever prize was just two $50 iTunes gift cards while still recording in his bedroom, and after that it wasn't long until nearly all of his content revolved around giveaways. The whole operation is optimized to the gills for maximum engagement above all else, down to A/B testing a hundred different thumbnail variants for every video: https://x.com/Creator_Toolbox/status/1783995589543227402 https://x.com/Creator_Toolbox/status/1783995589543227402
  - asib 1y ago
    > down to A/B testing a hundred different thumbnail variants for every video To be fair, this is apparently table stakes for being a YouTuber at the moment. Maybe not hundreds but definitely several. Veritasium did a video [0] about how he has to do this to maintain enough viewership to keep YouTubing viable as a full-time job. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng
    - magicalhippo 1y ago
      It makes sense though. Or to put it another way, it seems odd to expect that there's always a global thumbnail optimum for a given YouTube video. So to bring in the most views, put out different thumbnails to attract different viewers. Ideally YouTube would have support for this where you can just upload a dozen thumbnails or so, and YouTube figure out who needs to see which.
    - pests 1y ago
      Eh, Veritasium is now majority owned by PE now (Electrify). This is why they’ve been introducing new hosts and Derek is doing more intros / voiceovers - the end goal removing reliance on the original channel owner. So does he need to do it to remain profitable or does PE need to do it to pay for all their overhead / etc?
      - asib 1y ago
        Ah interesting, didn't know that. The video is at least 4 years old, so suppose it depends on when Derek sold. Anecdotally, I think all the new hosts came after that thumbnail video, but I couldn't say how closely the changes you mention followed. In general, it seems this is a thing that YouTubers feel they need to do to avoid being swallowed, but the extent to which MrBeast does it could well be extreme, and thereby worthy of suspicion.
- deadbabe 1y ago
  It’s not that difficult to become a billionaire. If you can collect $1 dollar from a billion people, you’ll be a billionaire. If you increase that to $10, you only need 100 million people, roughly a third of the United States. What you need is some kind of platform on which you could collect those dollars. In recent history the internet has become a powerful platform and that is why we have so many more billionaires. But what has not changed is our sensitivity to good deeds. If you’re a billionaire, giving all your wealth away is not really going to be appreciated much more than doing some highly visible good deeds that give smaller amounts of wealth away. So why do it? There is diminishing returns for good deeds. You’re better off staying a billionaire until you die, after which your wealth will be distributed anyway.
  - dizlexic 1y ago
    Tbh i don't see a problem with this take other than people don't like it.
    - deadbabe 1y ago
      People just vastly overestimate the power of money at scale. There is more power and inspiration in doing highly visible good deeds that people will see and feel good about than just cutting checks to large groups of people. It takes a billionaire to truly understand this.
  - latexr 1y ago
    > If you’re a billionaire, giving all your wealth away is not really going to be appreciated much more than doing some highly visible good deeds that give smaller amounts of wealth away. So why do it? You could do it for the intrinsic satisfaction of being a decent human and creating a better world. Could probably end or avoid a few wars, too. You’d certainly go into the annals of history is you eradicated poverty in whole areas of the world (which you could easily do, as a billionaire). > It’s not that difficult to become a billionaire. Please show us. Then give all your money away and see how that worked out. Don’t knock it until you try it. If you later regret it, that’s OK, shouldn’t be that difficult to become a billionaire again.
righthand 1y ago
[flagged]
highwaylights 1y ago
What good deeds? Isn’t this the guy that gives out cars to one random person on YouTube while their friends get nothing then films the reactions for megabucks?
- jjice 1y ago
  I don't know much about him, but he does lots of stuff about bringing water to places in Africa and curing blindness or deafness as well from what I've seen. Not sure of the ratio of what to what.
  - speed_spread 1y ago
    Whatever he does is for show first and foremost and only. Whatever benefits other people gain in the process is always less than what he will gain from the views. It's very much not a charity although he sells it like one.
    - bryan_w 1y ago
      Is there no such thing as a win-win situation?
      - speed_spread 1y ago
        There is a way to give money and stuff away for good causes and it's not to put up a show, then pack up and never return to see check that what you did actually helped. What he's doing is a lottery, making poor people win to capture their immediate sentiments. It's totally artificial and done for the wrong reasons which can have a number of negative outcomes that you'll never hear about because it's a closed process. Would you consider lotto a charity?
      - speed_spread 1y ago
        I'm sorry for the previous rambling. The word I was looking for is Exploitation. That's what it is. Making a show about poor people while it gets you rich as F. It's just wrong.
deleted 1y ago
[deleted]
nurettin 1y ago
Is it similar to being tired of people suggesting that influencers who abuse the poverty porn trope have somehow done a good thing?
hofo 1y ago
Social media algorithm overload
- pyaamb 1y ago
  thank you
wang_li 1y ago
Overexposure. Desensitization. Regardless, someone doing something good doesn't excuse them when they do something bad. You can be a civil rights icon who improved the lives of millions of people, but when you stand around, watch, and give advice as your buddy rapes a woman, you are a piece of shit.
pyaamb 1y ago
I'm not saying he doesn't deserve the feedback he's receiving right now. Just saying whatever you want to call this phenomena, its what i'm experiencing. He would have been a lot more likeable if he wasn't so aggressive in self promotion but I've heard him boast about it on podcasts and I think he knows what he was doing
deleted 1y ago
[deleted]
dotnet00 1y ago
I think in MrBeast's case it goes beyond just overexposure to seeming like a sketchy guy because of how hard he tries to project the image of being a good person while simultaneously flaunting his wealth. It's very reminiscent of many crypto-scammers, who flaunted their wealth and talked about wanting to help others become wealthy too, only to eventually rug pull.
- wongarsu 1y ago
  I don't think he's flaunting wealth per se. He doesn't claim to be wealthy. If anything he claims the opposite, always talking about how he immediately reinvests everything and keeps barely anything for himself or as a reserve. But he is definetly flaunting something. I'd maybe label it as flaunting generosity, or the ability to change people's lifes
- AlotOfReading 1y ago
  He's been involved with enough actual crypto scammers that it's probably more than a superficial similarity.
  - wongarsu 1y ago
    He is heavily involved with both Logan Paul and KSI. And while those two haven't built their career around crypto scams the label "crypto scammer" has been used for both of them
    - AlotOfReading 1y ago
      Also Gary Vee, and directly contributing to a number of pump and dump scams.
password54321 1y ago
That's just your intuition telling you the person you are seeing doing "good deeds" is actually shady and a fraud. People tend to have a good intuition for these kind of things. Every time my alarm bells have gone off it turned out they were in fact wearing a mask.
seydor 1y ago
This is not an era for long-term effort. This is about moving very fast breaking things and growing as fast as possible , so that when it all goes bust you can still leave with a cushy fortune. This culture is everywhere now, from arts to business
gosub100 1y ago
On a related note, I'm terrified of typing his name into search or watching any of his videos because once yt thinks I'm interested in the "topic" I'll never be able to get rid of his face from my recommended videos or news suggestions. I have his channel blocked but I suspect that if you watch a blocked channel voluntarily they will treat it as an unblock.
- mlinhares 1y ago
  I've been overly aggressive blocking channels on youtube whenever i click on shit like that by accident and my recommendations are mostly safe.
  - gosub100 1y ago
    The problem is the copycat and adjacent channels. You watch and block $BOZO, you now get suggestions for $BOZO reacts, $BOZO extras, $BOZO clips, and all of $BOZO's competitor channels.
    - mlinhares 1y ago
      Yeah, youtube recommendations get into the shit rabbit role much faster than any other platform.
- pests 1y ago
  Just go into watch history and delete the video. Or pause watch history before playing
Anon1096 1y ago
<Blank> Degrangement Syndrome, I think MrBeast has definitely reached that status by the rabid amount of hate he gets whenever brought up here or on reddit.

by pyaamb 1y ago

smcl 1y ago

When it comes to people that wealthy, the money they're using for their "good deeds" are the bare minimum they think they need to get you off their case. So when you say "I don't think someone should be a billionaire, that means something has gone seriously wrong" they can point to how he filmed himself giving a homeless guy a house.

jsheard 1y ago
In the case of MrBeast it's not even really reputation laundering, he's just an algorithm goblin who iterated through different shticks until landing on giveaways and contests as the things which consistently brought in the most clicks. I don't think he was even that rich when he started doing them, as far as I can tell his first ever prize was just two $50 iTunes gift cards while still recording in his bedroom, and after that it wasn't long until nearly all of his content revolved around giveaways. The whole operation is optimized to the gills for maximum engagement above all else, down to A/B testing a hundred different thumbnail variants for every video: https://x.com/Creator_Toolbox/status/1783995589543227402 https://x.com/Creator_Toolbox/status/1783995589543227402
- asib 1y ago
  > down to A/B testing a hundred different thumbnail variants for every video To be fair, this is apparently table stakes for being a YouTuber at the moment. Maybe not hundreds but definitely several. Veritasium did a video [0] about how he has to do this to maintain enough viewership to keep YouTubing viable as a full-time job. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng
  - magicalhippo 1y ago
    It makes sense though. Or to put it another way, it seems odd to expect that there's always a global thumbnail optimum for a given YouTube video. So to bring in the most views, put out different thumbnails to attract different viewers. Ideally YouTube would have support for this where you can just upload a dozen thumbnails or so, and YouTube figure out who needs to see which.
  - pests 1y ago
    Eh, Veritasium is now majority owned by PE now (Electrify). This is why they’ve been introducing new hosts and Derek is doing more intros / voiceovers - the end goal removing reliance on the original channel owner. So does he need to do it to remain profitable or does PE need to do it to pay for all their overhead / etc?
    - asib 1y ago
      Ah interesting, didn't know that. The video is at least 4 years old, so suppose it depends on when Derek sold. Anecdotally, I think all the new hosts came after that thumbnail video, but I couldn't say how closely the changes you mention followed. In general, it seems this is a thing that YouTubers feel they need to do to avoid being swallowed, but the extent to which MrBeast does it could well be extreme, and thereby worthy of suspicion.
deadbabe 1y ago
It’s not that difficult to become a billionaire. If you can collect $1 dollar from a billion people, you’ll be a billionaire. If you increase that to $10, you only need 100 million people, roughly a third of the United States. What you need is some kind of platform on which you could collect those dollars. In recent history the internet has become a powerful platform and that is why we have so many more billionaires. But what has not changed is our sensitivity to good deeds. If you’re a billionaire, giving all your wealth away is not really going to be appreciated much more than doing some highly visible good deeds that give smaller amounts of wealth away. So why do it? There is diminishing returns for good deeds. You’re better off staying a billionaire until you die, after which your wealth will be distributed anyway.
- dizlexic 1y ago
  Tbh i don't see a problem with this take other than people don't like it.
  - deadbabe 1y ago
    People just vastly overestimate the power of money at scale. There is more power and inspiration in doing highly visible good deeds that people will see and feel good about than just cutting checks to large groups of people. It takes a billionaire to truly understand this.
- latexr 1y ago
  > If you’re a billionaire, giving all your wealth away is not really going to be appreciated much more than doing some highly visible good deeds that give smaller amounts of wealth away. So why do it? You could do it for the intrinsic satisfaction of being a decent human and creating a better world. Could probably end or avoid a few wars, too. You’d certainly go into the annals of history is you eradicated poverty in whole areas of the world (which you could easily do, as a billionaire). > It’s not that difficult to become a billionaire. Please show us. Then give all your money away and see how that worked out. Don’t knock it until you try it. If you later regret it, that’s OK, shouldn’t be that difficult to become a billionaire again.

righthand 1y ago

[flagged]

highwaylights 1y ago

What good deeds? Isn’t this the guy that gives out cars to one random person on YouTube while their friends get nothing then films the reactions for megabucks?

jjice 1y ago
I don't know much about him, but he does lots of stuff about bringing water to places in Africa and curing blindness or deafness as well from what I've seen. Not sure of the ratio of what to what.
- speed_spread 1y ago
  Whatever he does is for show first and foremost and only. Whatever benefits other people gain in the process is always less than what he will gain from the views. It's very much not a charity although he sells it like one.
  - bryan_w 1y ago
    Is there no such thing as a win-win situation?
    - speed_spread 1y ago
      There is a way to give money and stuff away for good causes and it's not to put up a show, then pack up and never return to see check that what you did actually helped. What he's doing is a lottery, making poor people win to capture their immediate sentiments. It's totally artificial and done for the wrong reasons which can have a number of negative outcomes that you'll never hear about because it's a closed process. Would you consider lotto a charity?
    - speed_spread 1y ago
      I'm sorry for the previous rambling. The word I was looking for is Exploitation. That's what it is. Making a show about poor people while it gets you rich as F. It's just wrong.

deleted 1y ago

[deleted]

nurettin 1y ago

Is it similar to being tired of people suggesting that influencers who abuse the poverty porn trope have somehow done a good thing?

hofo 1y ago

Social media algorithm overload

pyaamb 1y ago
thank you

wang_li 1y ago

Overexposure. Desensitization. Regardless, someone doing something good doesn't excuse them when they do something bad. You can be a civil rights icon who improved the lives of millions of people, but when you stand around, watch, and give advice as your buddy rapes a woman, you are a piece of shit.

pyaamb 1y ago

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve the feedback he's receiving right now. Just saying whatever you want to call this phenomena, its what i'm experiencing. He would have been a lot more likeable if he wasn't so aggressive in self promotion but I've heard him boast about it on podcasts and I think he knows what he was doing

deleted 1y ago

[deleted]

dotnet00 1y ago

I think in MrBeast's case it goes beyond just overexposure to seeming like a sketchy guy because of how hard he tries to project the image of being a good person while simultaneously flaunting his wealth. It's very reminiscent of many crypto-scammers, who flaunted their wealth and talked about wanting to help others become wealthy too, only to eventually rug pull.

wongarsu 1y ago
I don't think he's flaunting wealth per se. He doesn't claim to be wealthy. If anything he claims the opposite, always talking about how he immediately reinvests everything and keeps barely anything for himself or as a reserve. But he is definetly flaunting something. I'd maybe label it as flaunting generosity, or the ability to change people's lifes
AlotOfReading 1y ago
He's been involved with enough actual crypto scammers that it's probably more than a superficial similarity.
- wongarsu 1y ago
  He is heavily involved with both Logan Paul and KSI. And while those two haven't built their career around crypto scams the label "crypto scammer" has been used for both of them
  - AlotOfReading 1y ago
    Also Gary Vee, and directly contributing to a number of pump and dump scams.

password54321 1y ago

That's just your intuition telling you the person you are seeing doing "good deeds" is actually shady and a fraud. People tend to have a good intuition for these kind of things. Every time my alarm bells have gone off it turned out they were in fact wearing a mask.

seydor 1y ago

This is not an era for long-term effort. This is about moving very fast breaking things and growing as fast as possible , so that when it all goes bust you can still leave with a cushy fortune. This culture is everywhere now, from arts to business

gosub100 1y ago

On a related note, I'm terrified of typing his name into search or watching any of his videos because once yt thinks I'm interested in the "topic" I'll never be able to get rid of his face from my recommended videos or news suggestions. I have his channel blocked but I suspect that if you watch a blocked channel voluntarily they will treat it as an unblock.

mlinhares 1y ago
I've been overly aggressive blocking channels on youtube whenever i click on shit like that by accident and my recommendations are mostly safe.
- gosub100 1y ago
  The problem is the copycat and adjacent channels. You watch and block $BOZO, you now get suggestions for $BOZO reacts, $BOZO extras, $BOZO clips, and all of $BOZO's competitor channels.
  - mlinhares 1y ago
    Yeah, youtube recommendations get into the shit rabbit role much faster than any other platform.
pests 1y ago
Just go into watch history and delete the video. Or pause watch history before playing

Anon1096 1y ago

<Blank> Degrangement Syndrome, I think MrBeast has definitely reached that status by the rabid amount of hate he gets whenever brought up here or on reddit.