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Still, Europe has no electric-only brand. We need it. Let the thermal engine models die.
by maelito 1y ago
Still, Europe has no electric-only brand.
We need it. Let the thermal engine models die.
- prmoustache 1y agoI think by 2030 new ICE passenger vehicles are supposed to be banned. There are a few electric-only brands but for smaller vehicles.
- zorobo 1y agoNo it's 2035. Industry actors are fighting hard to postpone or allow for more flexibility. -> https://www.radiofrance.fr/franceculture/podcasts/culture-de-l-info/la-commission-europeenne-va-reexaminer-l-interdiction-prevue-en-2035-des-vehicules-a-moteur-thermique-8414923 https://www.radiofrance.fr/franceculture/podcasts/culture-de...
- tpm 1y agoIt's 2035 and it is not a strict ban, rather it's a fine of 95 euro/1g of CO2 emmissions above 0g/km, so it's 9500 euro for a car emitting 100g/km, for example. That is to be paid by the manufacturer for every such car sold. So if Porsche decides it can sell their gas hogs emitting 200g/km and the customers will swallow the 20k fine, in theory they could. The limits and fines are getting progressively tighter since 2020, with steps in 2025, 2030 and the final step in 2035.
- FirmwareBurner 1y agoEU doesn't really like to do start-ups in traditional fields dominated by century-old players, so the policies all focus on protecting those monopolists and not helping create startup to disrupt them or that could threaten them. That's why they were anti-EV for so long, since that threatened their lucrative ICE dominance.
- maelito 1y agoWell that's a problem. But I believe you're wrong. Lots of startups tackle old problems and succeed. The best example would be Alan, for health insurance. They're a startup in a traditional field dominated by half-a-century players. Indy is another example : enterprise accounting is very old. It wasn't industrial, now it is, online. Decathlon's bikes did destroy old players of this field. Mistral crushed every French decade-old IT companies in the LLM domain. Etc.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago>The best example would be Alan, for health insurance Afaik they only seem to operate in France and Belgium not in whole of EU. So how is that a "best example" ? >Mistral crushed every French decade-old IT companies in the LLM domain. Etc. Mistral didn't crush anything, Legacy French SW companies are still there doing business.
- pjerem 1y agoIt seems like Renault is going into this direction. Slowly but surely.
- maelito 1y agoAlmost. Their R5 is a best-seller, but they could have launched it as a separate company. You cannot invest in Renault's electric line. Investing in Renault means investing in new thermal cars.
- storus 1y agoR5 is unbelievably overpriced for its size and nostalgic value.
- orwin 1y agoIt's a really nice car to drive though. Trunk size is too limited and get a hard pass from me (I think my next car will be an utility vehicle for my windsurf). But 25k for the battery size, interior, how nice it is to drive, I think is fair when you compare in the price range (Spring, e-C3).
- storus 1y agoI agree it's a nice car but value-wise it can't compete even with KIA Stonic. Spring is terrible due to a very low range, agreed. I think we need two more generations of batteries to make EVs fully usable, ideally 800-1000km for a single charge or 80% charge after 10 minutes for a mid-size SUV.