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This is just incredibly defeatist on everyone talking here. Here we have irrefutable evidence of just how bad the result of using AI would be and yet... the re

This is just incredibly defeatist on everyone talking here. Here we have irrefutable evidence of just how bad the result of using AI would be and yet... the response is just that we need to accept that there is going to be damage but keep using it?!? This isn't a tech company that "needs" to keep pushing AI because investors seem to think it is the only path of the future. There is absolutely zero reason to keep trying to shoehorn this tech in places it clearly doesn't belong. We don't need to accept anything here. Just don't use it... why is that such a hard concept.

jihadjihad 1y ago
It's not (just) defeatist, it's fatalistic. And I agree. There can be cultural underpinnings here, too--the attorney is CA-based, and though LA is distinct from SF, I wonder if there isn't a thread of the "move fast and break things" ethos showing up as well.
mullingitover 1y ago
> Here we have irrefutable evidence of just how bad the result of using AI would be It's not just the result of using AI, it's the result of failing to vet the information he was providing the court. The same thing could've happened if he hired a paralegal from Fiverr to write his pleadings and didn't check their work. It's like saying that because he typed it on a computer, it's the computers that are the problem, and we shouldn't keep using them. We're already at least a year past AI tools having the ability to perform grounding (Lexis+ from LexisNexis, as I cited on another comment in this post, for example), so this whole fiasco is already something from a bygone era.
freejazz 1y ago
I'm a lawyer and I do not use AI. I was given a product test of an AI legal solution and it was terrible.
themafia 1y ago
Whenever an "AI" article is posted here the comments are heavily astroturfed.
s1artibartfast 1y ago
I'm curious what part makes you think "everyone" is endorsing continued use by lawyers to write briefings.
nikanj 1y ago
For so many people, option A is chatgpt lawyer and option B is no lawyer. When the hourly billing of a lawyer approaches the weekly pay of a worker, something’s gotta give
- MichaelDickens 1y ago
  Have LLMs resulted in a democratization of law where anyone can now afford to hire a lawyer? As far as I know, the answer is no. Lawyers who use unreliable tools to generate fake citations are still charging just as much.

jihadjihad 1y ago

It's not (just) defeatist, it's fatalistic. And I agree. There can be cultural underpinnings here, too--the attorney is CA-based, and though LA is distinct from SF, I wonder if there isn't a thread of the "move fast and break things" ethos showing up as well.

mullingitover 1y ago

> Here we have irrefutable evidence of just how bad the result of using AI would be It's not just the result of using AI, it's the result of failing to vet the information he was providing the court. The same thing could've happened if he hired a paralegal from Fiverr to write his pleadings and didn't check their work. It's like saying that because he typed it on a computer, it's the computers that are the problem, and we shouldn't keep using them. We're already at least a year past AI tools having the ability to perform grounding (Lexis+ from LexisNexis, as I cited on another comment in this post, for example), so this whole fiasco is already something from a bygone era.

freejazz 1y ago

I'm a lawyer and I do not use AI. I was given a product test of an AI legal solution and it was terrible.

themafia 1y ago

Whenever an "AI" article is posted here the comments are heavily astroturfed.

s1artibartfast 1y ago

I'm curious what part makes you think "everyone" is endorsing continued use by lawyers to write briefings.

nikanj 1y ago

For so many people, option A is chatgpt lawyer and option B is no lawyer. When the hourly billing of a lawyer approaches the weekly pay of a worker, something’s gotta give

MichaelDickens 1y ago
Have LLMs resulted in a democratization of law where anyone can now afford to hire a lawyer? As far as I know, the answer is no. Lawyers who use unreliable tools to generate fake citations are still charging just as much.